DP & Leopard... UPDATE: DP 5.13 is out!

[MIDI Life Crisis]

I'll be working off my backup G4 in my session tomorrow.

DP seemed to be working OK, until I started trying to actually edit...

First, could not create a fade. The section where the fade would normally be displayed remained grayed out. If I deleted an existing fade, undo would not undo. Quitting the program without saving the project shows that the fades are gone. GONE. Remained grayed out. Very brief error message (too fast to read) says there was an error in calculating the fade and some other info I could not catch.

It gets worse. Any access to the Audio menu crashed Dp 5.12. Dp 5.11 allowed me to bounce and once allowed me to create a fade, but as soon as the bounce was done, DP crashed.

I reinstalled DP, repaired permissions, deleted the plst, etc. but nothing is helping. In short, it appears the DP is NOT Leopard ready.

A copy of this will be sent to MOTU. If I hear back, I'll let you know. IN the mean time, I cannot recommend installing Leopard on your Mac. But it sure is purdy!

In short, it appears the DP is NOT Leopard ready for anything but playback of existing files.

[James Steele]

That is a bummer... I just tried making a fade and had the same problem. Hopefully there is a fix soon!

I'm making this a sticky so people know about it!

[Frodo]

Hey MLC--

I suspect that MOTU is already aware that the current incarnations of DP are likely to get mixed results. I mean for myself, I'm still trying to catch Tiger by the tail with DP issues, although I'd still like to see how things work together on a G5 or Intel at some point.

Still, crashes are unacceptable no matter how you slice it. Even if MOTU is aware of Leopard-specific issues, they may be waiting for a gaggle of user observations before moving too quickly. This is good enough reason to keep them informed-- but also reminding them of what they already may know might light a fire under the process of them getting a proper Leopard version released sooner than later.

At the same time, botched fades and memory quirks are not new glitches even under Tiger. They may be more predictable or less apparent or less frequent in Tiger, but they're anything but new. They just may be more exacerbated under Leopard-- and I strongly suspect that a host of DPs other vulnerabilities are too.

On a side note, I never got DP installed in my Leopard drive, but I was able to start it up will in Leopard from my Tiger drive. I had to install the MIDI and PCI audio drivers and set up a unique Bundle, but it seemed to work. I didn't do much with it at all-- but I was probably avoiding it subconsciously!

Thanks again for the lab test!

[MIDI Life Crisis]

Thanks gentlemen. I have always been a risk taker and was fully aware that this could happen. If I didn't have a complete backup system 5 minutes away, I wouldn't have done this with any kind of serious work in the near future. As it stands, I loose nothing as all my composing is done until late Nov, early Dec. But the recording gigs are coming in and the G4 can easily handle them.

I'll keep poking Leo until MOTU comes up with an update. Obviously, they will have to do so sooner rather than later.

Of course, I could always use Soundtrack (it came with Final Cut, but I haven't cracked it open yet). But I hate to have a client sit here while i go thru a learning curve. Nah. it'll be nice to have the old G4 fans spinning loudly again. NOT!

[Timeline]

Thanks MLC

[HeadMaster]

And the circus has started..

http://www.macmusic.org/news/view.php/lang/en/id/5822/

I think I will wait until 10.5.3 or maybe 10.5.4 ...

. . .
HM

[James Steele]

And the circus has started..

http://www.macmusic.org/news/view.php/lang/en/id/5822/

I think I will wait until 10.5.3 or maybe 10.5.4 ...

. . .
HM

This wasn't so bad. I downloaded it from Software Update.

As an aside, it seems on the surface that Software Update is improved as the keychain update installed *after* a reboot if I believe, or it might have been after quitting the finder. Also there's a dialog that mentions "Clearing the Boot cache" or something now before it restarts.

I get the feeling that given all the mixed results people were getting-- that is different results depending on using Combo Updaters or the Software Update panel, Apple spent sometime improving this.

[mwalthius]

In short, it appears the DP is NOT Leopard ready.

Visitors to MOTU's website in recent days have been made aware of this.

Why would you install Leopard? Are you looking to cause grief and frustration in your life?

Michael

[albertors]

Same problem here..I logged in just because of this..DP is giving me the exact error. I should have imagined..too bad because my G5 seems to be faster than before (and I had a sleek system already).

Update: Here I am, back on Tiger. Can't afford to start the week calling clients and finding excuses

[MIDI Life Crisis]

Why would you install Leopard? Are you looking to cause grief and frustration in your life?

Michael

Yes, That is exactly right.

[dimensiondk]

Visitors to MOTU's website in recent days have been made aware of this.

Why would you install Leopard? Are you looking to cause grief and frustration in your life?

Michael

Just ordered new 2.4 MBP 17" exclusively for running DP. This will come with Leopard, as all new shipping macs do now.

No choice but to use leopard, mate.

DaveK

[Frodo]

Why would you install Leopard? Are you looking to cause grief and frustration in your life?

Michael

Because there is more to the Mac platform than DP!

I used to fear all sorts of upgrades and realized that it was a fear of DP's potential incompatibilities that prevented me from doing other things that were equally important.

So, I've kept my Tiger drive for DP and added a separate drive for Leopard and everything else. I just can't let DP completely stop the world from turning. MOTU will get around to fixing it eventually.

[Frodo]

This appeared in another thread, but I hope no one minds if I put it here-- The gravity of it seems to warrant its inclusion.

I've known this for a few weeks but couldn't comment on it sooner.
Yes DP will not record any audio in Leopard.
It will only seem that it does until you try to play back.
Error 192 error like Primemover said.

I don't use any iLok so i don't think that's the problem.

The audio "seems" gets recorded in the audio folder but DP won't recognize the recorded files as valid.
These recorded sd2 files won't play back in any other app also.
You can't import this audio back in DP also.
If i remember correctly importing other formats like mp3 and aif worked.
Could it be that the sd2 file format is the problem?

Strange is that DP seems the only DAW with this kind of problems.
Another sd2 related issue perhaps?
Didn't Motu have any developer builds of Leopard for a year now?

DP DOES NOT WORK WITH LEOPARD!

[albertors]

Absolutely YES: I can confirm. I have no iLok or hardware dongles whatsoever, nothing. Out of a fresh Leopard clean install, latest updates, Digital Performer is officially NOT OPERATIONAL.

Audio does not work properly and so do fades, among other issues.

[rentadrummer]

Just ordered new 2.4 MBP 17" exclusively for running DP. This will come with Leopard, as all new shipping macs do now.

No choice but to use leopard, mate.

DaveK

Saw this posted the other day on Macosxhints:
"This isn't exactly a hint, but just a heads up. I'm buying some new MacBook Pros online, but I didn't want them to have Leopard installed. I called the Apple Sales line to find out what the situation was.

The Rep said that any machines that ship before November third will have Tiger installed on them (with Leopard in the box). After that, all machines will have 10.5 preinstalled. So if you want a new Mac with Tiger, order right now!"

Not sure if it's accurate, but if so, you'll wind up with Tiger and Leopard.