LOGIC STUDIO AND LOGIC 8 JUST OUT!!

[Timeline]

OTOH MS has never cared anything about quality, consistency or a reasonable UI.

That's because they cater to corp america and the business software environment primarily I think. U kno.. cobal!

[bayswater]

Bayswater,they don't have to follow the Steinberg path and could learn from those mistakes.

I don't think SB would have called it a mistake. The focus and priorities simply shifted to Windows. I guess it's hard to come up withone piece of code that really shines on both platforms.

[James Steele]

I don't think SB would have called it a mistake. The focus and priorities simply shifted to Windows.

Given recent developments can't say as I blame them. They may have been smart to get out of a market that Apple intended some day to dominate for themselves.

[Timeline]

If domination was at the heart of the discount. Then again some people loovveee domination.... OUCH !!

[James Steele]

I don't know what is at the heart of the discount. All I know is that for the first time I have an uneasy feeling about Apple because I view them as being more aggressive than before about competing in the DAW market. I used to think once that Digidesign was the biggest threat to MOTU, when ironically it seems that Apple is now the biggest threat.

[Timeline]

Well you may be right. I've been reading other forums around and they all started much like this one in total amazement then slowly turn to comments dissing L8 and comparing it to Garage Band and more non-pro apps. One said it will likely be for the 15 year old players in high school. That's a very long term approach to taking over the market if right.

I guess we'll have to wait and see what happens. In the mean time bring on DP6.

[slipstytch]

I just wanted to chime in and say that this is very interesting to see so many people freaking out about all this over here, and especially at gearslutz. Breath deep folks, and let the guinea pigs of Logic 8 take the experiment. Some people are rabidly jumping into that pool and thats good for us peeps who can sit back and chill............as we all know musical outcome is more about the artist(s) than the tools....though the tools help, tech problems absolutely kill the muse, setting up a new DAW can can be a drag. Logic 8 will be around for a long time....no hurry.
JMHO
peace and creation y'all

[gearboy]

I guess we'll have to wait and see what happens. In the mean time bring on DP6.

Agreed.

[bayswater]

Well you may be right. I've been reading other forums around and they all started much like this one in total amazement then slowly turn to comments dissing L8 and comparing it to Garage Band and more non-pro apps.

The dissing and dismissing is no more a useful conclusion than the initial amazement. But there is no doubt that it is better than it was (look at the manual to see what it has adopted from DP and Cubase) and cheaper than it was. That's got to be good. And never mind DP6. Bring on DP Studio.

[Shooshie]

I'm saying that whatever decision MOTU makes for the future, given Apple's actions, those decisions should be made objectively and with no consideration for Apple or the Macintosh platform, because Apple has pretty much now proven that they are no friend of third party developers for their platform, but an aggressive and ruthless competitor.

I've just got this feeling that the low-low price is temporary. I think it will go up in time and kind of even out about where MOTU has been pricing DP, which will give MOTU the edge, pricewise, since currently they are about the same at Sweetwater. We're really just looking at a different feature set, and in that regard, Apple has walloped MOTU. But if Apple takes the price back up, then it would seem a little more natural.

If Apple kills off competition on their own platform, then they'll lose more than they gain. Plugins, 3rd party apps, samplers like MachFive2, and so forth may abandon the Mac. But I don't think any of that will happen. I believe this low-priced Logic is temporary, and that within 2 years everything will find its level and balance out.

Also, I think we're being too pessimistic when we assume that all first-time buyers will only want to look at Logic as a platform. Who among us ever goes shopping for a car and only considers, say, the Volkswagon, which has fantastic German engineering at a bargain price? Lots of people do, but we look at a wide range of cars before we buy, and most of us actually buy something else. Maybe that's not the best example, but my point is that we all like to shop around. That's not going to end just because Apple publishes the cheapest DAW in town.

Shooshie

[Shooshie]

Well you may be right. I've been reading other forums around and they all started much like this one in total amazement then slowly turn to comments dissing L8 and comparing it to Garage Band and more non-pro apps. One said it will likely be for the 15 year old players in high school. That's a very long term approach to taking over the market if right.

I guess we'll have to wait and see what happens. In the mean time bring on DP6.

You've just given me an idea:

What if Logic Studio is NOT the Pro-Tools Killer? What if they've just lowered the price of LS to make room for the REAL Pro-Tools Killer, which is about to come out in the next month or two, with the release of Leopard? A real 64-bit DAW, designed for effiency from the ground-up, with a real interface, with all the amenities that Apple loves to provide... and that really kicks ass! For $1000.

Now wouldn't THAT be something?


Shooshie

[kassonica]

I just wanted to chime in and say that this is very interesting to see so many people freaking out about all this over here, and especially at gearslutz. Breath deep folks, and let the guinea pigs of Logic 8 take the experiment. Some people are rabidly jumping into that pool and thats good for us peeps who can sit back and chill............as we all know musical outcome is more about the artist(s) than the tools....though the tools help, tech problems absolutely kill the muse, setting up a new DAW can can be a drag. Logic 8 will be around for a long time....no hurry.
JMHO
peace and creation y'all

Now i agree and when L 8 is up to 8.1.1.3.2.5. we can sit back and say told ya so

[kassonica]

I guess we'll have to wait and see what happens. In the mean time bring on DP6.[/quote]

You've just given me an idea:

What if Logic Studio is NOT the Pro-Tools Killer? What if they've just lowered the price of LS to make room for the REAL Pro-Tools Killer, which is about to come out in the next month or two, with the release of Leopard? A real 64-bit DAW, designed for effiency from the ground-up, with a real interface, with all the amenities that Apple loves to provide... and that really kicks ass! For $1000.

Now wouldn't THAT be something?


Shooshie[/quote]

Do have some insider information on this Shooshie ?

Because a few months ago when there were a lot of Logic rumors flying about i read something very similar on a obscure french site And i can't find the site now either but that said Logic was going to be either replaced in the future or merged with GB and the what would replace it would take on Pro tools.

Although this is speculation it makes sense for one reason alone, the new price of L 8 and it's integration with GB.

Fuel for thought at least.

[Timeline]

This is a true study of human nature.

Cracks me up! Back to Dr. Who

[Shooshie]

Do have some insider information on this Shooshie ?

Because a few months ago when there were a lot of Logic rumors flying about i read something very similar on a obscure french site And i can't find the site now either but that said Logic was going to be either replaced in the future or merged with GB and the what would replace it would take on Pro tools.

Although this is speculation it makes sense for one reason alone, the new price of L 8 and it's integration with GB.

Fuel for thought at least.

No inside track here, but the more I think of it, the more I believe that's GOT to be what this is all about. After the first wave of awe passed, I realized that no matter how great they packaged this app, it's still Logic! Logic was a dog when Apple bought it. It's now a dog and pony show, and the dog has been trained and housebroken, but it's still a dog (no offense to dogs intended). They've really just priced it about where it belongs.

If Apple is going to create music software that rivals Final Cut Pro, Shake, Aperture, or even iWork apps, then they're going to have to come up with something that's self-configuring, that makes music composition, recording, editing, mixing, mastering, comping, and film scoring a breeze, a joy, an act of inspiration without intimidation. Logic is not that app. Even DP is not that app. It needs to be something new, something with the capability to expand beyond MIDI, to set new standards that the industry will follow. Something that's equally at home with PT hardware or native, even at the same time, and for which distributed processing is the default, without even having to set anything up.

I think Apple is about to release something that's going to make us all sit back and go "Wow." That's the only way that this Logic Studio packaging and pricing makes sense.

Shooshie