Aren't we due for an DP update sometime soon?

[davedempsey]

Good on ya David. You are a charmer.

I got ya beat by 3 years. Love to have a beer and chat some time.

Cheers
Gary

Hi Gary,
Same offer stands for you as did for Frodo in a previous thread - I'd be very happy to supply the cold amber if you are ever in Sydney. Given my current commitments the likelyhood of my presence on your side of the pond is very unlikely for many years to come.
Cheers,
DD

[Frodo]

Did someone say beer?

[davedempsey]

Did someone say beer?

Oh yes... and although I recognize and admit this thread is about a DP update, I'd like to share with you a beer update.
It's Saturday 3.45pm and I've arrived home from my 2.30 finish, 5.5 day job at an audio production company armed with a case of Little Creatures Bright Ale - see: www.littlecreatures.com.au
There's 2 empties on the kitchen counter and a few more on the ice. I am in beer heaven and angels are pissing down my throat. Wish you were here.
These ones are for Billy.... 4P4P4P......

[jrdmcdnld]

These ones are for Billy.... 4P4P4P......

Never before in the history of written language has the sound of drinking been so brilliantly put into word and letters.

I am now craving beer.

[tripit@earthlink.net]

Regarding MOTU and DAE: there may be good reason why this feature has been a little dodgy. Both companies make audio hardware. Both companies have their own audio engines. Neither company has as much to gain from full compliance as certain users who need to use both MAS and DAE in equal measure. The support is there, but it feels more symbolic or obligatory than anything else. There's no predicting if Digidesign and MOTU will ever have reason to get serious about full wack DAE support.

Yes, this thought has crossed my mind as well, so I recently asked a MOTU tech (the same one who claimed that all was well with DP and DAE7) if MOTU was planning on dropping DAE. The answer was "No, we always have and will keep on supporting DAE".

And remember that MOTU and Digi's relationship go back to the very first DAW's. Which is one of the reasons I felt comfortable with them after the demise of Opcode. Also, I might add that while MOTU certainly does and should place their own audio format front and center, they know that PT and digi's hardware are a huge part of the professional market. I don't how big it actually is, but I would make a comfortable guess to say that it's got to be at least 2/3's if not more. So, it makes perfect sense that they and the others would cater to Digi's audio format. I know I for one wouldn't be using DP if they didn't support DAE. As much as I love DP the foundation of my audio system is DAE and PT, and it will remain that way for a while I imagine.

With that said, my belief is that MOTU has been so busy adding features etc they let the DAE side slip behind as of late. I think they got it approved for DAE7 without even realizing that they hadn't adapted for the new way RTAS is handled. They didn't rebuild the front end, instead they made sure that DAE would operate under the old layout and said, it works, fine lets get back to adding more features or whatever.

By the way, I just cracked a can of Guiness. I toured with a bunch of Irish lads a few years ago and they sorted me out on proper beer. Now if I could just find someone who carries Beamish.

[Frodo]

By the way, I just cracked a can of Guiness. I toured with a bunch of Irish lads a few years ago and they sorted me out on proper beer. Now if I could just find someone who carries Beamish.

Beer is so much more fun to talk about than questionable audio format support! Why is that, I wonder?

Not sure where you live-- but Naja's Place in Redondo Beach has Beamish. Some have found it at Trader Joe's, but you can always ask them to carry it if they're out of stock. Don't know about Vendome, tho.. they're more of a wine shop, but they've been known to carry a pretty impressive beer collection.

[blue]

I've seen Beamish at a few places in LA too. Lately, Trader's has carried Murphey's, a decent stout as well.

The largest selection of beer in town that I have seen is at BevMo. They have a great selection of micros and imports.

If ya like hopped up IPAs, check out the Racer 5. Very tasty.

Now, what were we talking about?

[AndyMurdock]

Well, I have been using DP since 1998, before that it was Studio Vision and Cubase on the Atari ST, and before that it was a Studer 820 and an Amek. I've been an audio engineer since 1984, anyway I make my living now as a 3d animator.
I am a huge DP fan, I have Logic 7, but I'd rather use DP. The linear tape deck is very important when making your final mix, and DP is the best for that IMHO. But, when I saw and tried out Live6, I found myself composing faster and better then ever before. The spread sheet with scaleable MIDI and audio clips is so easy to use and made perfect sense to me right away. It's just a matter of output, I make better music in the Live environment.
I wish DP would pick up on this way of composing, because as far as features goes, Live is like five years and a million dollars behind DP. But, this one thing it does, it does really well, and that is creating an easy to use environment for making nonlinear music clips with great interactive arrangement features.
So, my new way of composing is; I do my MIDI composing in Live, and then track all the elements to disc and set arrangements to audio tracks, and then bring those over to DP for the mixing. It's a PITA to use two apps. I'd drop Live in a second if DP had the spread sheet arranger feature as well implemented as Ableton. So don't every one go gettin all sniffed up about somebody liking the skirt on another DAW. My hope is that Motu will crawl out of it's rut and pour a new mold, I really doubt that.

Oh, yeah, here is another thing. I'm composing in Live and it's been ten minutes since I saved last. The computer crashes due to the fact that my g5 is old and dusty. I restart the box and open Live. Live asks me if I'd like to recover my last session exactly where I left off, and it does. I sure like that. Never ever losing work due to a crash.

Andy

[davedempsey]

Regarding MOTU and DAE: there may be good reason why this feature has been a little dodgy. Both companies make audio hardware. Both companies have their own audio engines. Neither company has as much to gain from full compliance as certain users who need to use both MAS and DAE in equal measure. The support is there, but it feels more symbolic or obligatory than anything else. There's no predicting if Digidesign and MOTU will ever have reason to get serious about full wack DAE support.

Yes, this thought has crossed my mind as well, so I recently asked a MOTU tech (the same one who claimed that all was well with DP and DAE7) if MOTU was planning on dropping DAE. The answer was "No, we always have and will keep on supporting DAE".

And remember that MOTU and Digi's relationship go back to the very first DAW's. Which is one of the reasons I felt comfortable with them after the demise of Opcode. Also, I might add that while MOTU certainly does and should place their own audio format front and center, they know that PT and digi's hardware are a huge part of the professional market. I don't how big it actually is, but I would make a comfortable guess to say that it's got to be at least 2/3's if not more. So, it makes perfect sense that they and the others would cater to Digi's audio format. I know I for one wouldn't be using DP if they didn't support DAE. As much as I love DP the foundation of my audio system is DAE and PT, and it will remain that way for a while I imagine.

With that said, my belief is that MOTU has been so busy adding features etc they let the DAE side slip behind as of late. I think they got it approved for DAE7 without even realizing that they hadn't adapted for the new way RTAS is handled. They didn't rebuild the front end, instead they made sure that DAE would operate under the old layout and said, it works, fine lets get back to adding more features or whatever.

By the way, I just cracked a can of Guiness. I toured with a bunch of Irish lads a few years ago and they sorted me out on proper beer. Now if I could just find someone who carries Beamish.

I haven't made an album in DAE since '95 so I really have nothing to offer re the MAS/DAE support issue. Whilst I'm sure your estimate of 66%, or more. DAE dominance of the pro market is quite likely rather accurate, I do believe the workflow benefits of 'tools power on demand are close to their final days. The next couple of generations of Macs should see to that.

I'm a little partial to a Guiness on a cold winters day but it's not a drink I covet in warm weather. I'm not familiar with Beamish and don't believe I've even heard of it before. I'll do the research....

jrdmcdnld,

I can't claim 4P4P4P as a description of drinking ... Billy Thorpe was affectionately known as Thorpie. He was enormously popular to the extent that a chant would build up prior to his scheduled time to hit stage. From backstage, where it was altered by walls and hallways etc, the sound of tens of thousands of people chanting Thorpie sounded like ... 4P4P4P.
Cheers,
D

[tripit@earthlink.net]

By the way, I just cracked a can of Guiness. I toured with a bunch of Irish lads a few years ago and they sorted me out on proper beer. Now if I could just find someone who carries Beamish.

Beer is so much more fun to talk about than questionable audio format support! Why is that, I wonder?

Not sure where you live-- but Naja's Place in Redondo Beach has Beamish. Some have found it at Trader Joe's, but you can always ask them to carry it if they're out of stock. Don't know about Vendome, tho.. they're more of a wine shop, but they've been known to carry a pretty impressive beer collection.

Beer is much better to talk about. I'm in Hollywood, a little long to get to Redondo, although I might be tempted some time. Thanks for the tip. I've never seen it a trader's but I'll have to ask next time.
I did learn alot about Guiness from the lads though. A proper guiness will leave descent rings in the glass and the head should just about be able to hold a quarter. When we passed through Maryland, they took me to a pub that one of their expat's ran. The guiness was much better there. Appearently, the guy had the real old tap brought over from Ireland and he also had the Co2 shipped over, the later was suppose to make all the difference. Personally I think it might have been the fine company of tall tales and little green men that made it seem better:)

[tripit@earthlink.net]

Regarding MOTU and DAE: there may be good reason why this feature has been a little dodgy. Both companies make audio hardware. Both companies have their own audio engines. Neither company has as much to gain from full compliance as certain users who need to use both MAS and DAE in equal measure. The support is there, but it feels more symbolic or obligatory than anything else. There's no predicting if Digidesign and MOTU will ever have reason to get serious about full wack DAE support.

Yes, this thought has crossed my mind as well, so I recently asked a MOTU tech (the same one who claimed that all was well with DP and DAE7) if MOTU was planning on dropping DAE. The answer was "No, we always have and will keep on supporting DAE".

And remember that MOTU and Digi's relationship go back to the very first DAW's. Which is one of the reasons I felt comfortable with them after the demise of Opcode. Also, I might add that while MOTU certainly does and should place their own audio format front and center, they know that PT and digi's hardware are a huge part of the professional market. I don't how big it actually is, but I would make a comfortable guess to say that it's got to be at least 2/3's if not more. So, it makes perfect sense that they and the others would cater to Digi's audio format. I know I for one wouldn't be using DP if they didn't support DAE. As much as I love DP the foundation of my audio system is DAE and PT, and it will remain that way for a while I imagine.

With that said, my belief is that MOTU has been so busy adding features etc they let the DAE side slip behind as of late. I think they got it approved for DAE7 without even realizing that they hadn't adapted for the new way RTAS is handled. They didn't rebuild the front end, instead they made sure that DAE would operate under the old layout and said, it works, fine lets get back to adding more features or whatever.

By the way, I just cracked a can of Guiness. I toured with a bunch of Irish lads a few years ago and they sorted me out on proper beer. Now if I could just find someone who carries Beamish.

I haven't made an album in DAE since '95 so I really have nothing to offer re the MAS/DAE support issue. Whilst I'm sure your estimate of 66%, or more. DAE dominance of the pro market is quite likely rather accurate, I do believe the workflow benefits of 'tools power on demand are close to their final days. The next couple of generations of Macs should see to that.

I'm a little partial to a Guiness on a cold winters day but it's not a drink I covet in warm weather. I'm not familiar with Beamish and don't believe I've even heard of it before. I'll do the research....

jrdmcdnld,

I can't claim 4P4P4P as a description of drinking ... Billy Thorpe was affectionately known as Thorpie. He was enormously popular to the extent that a chant would build up prior to his scheduled time to hit stage. From backstage, where it was altered by walls and hallways etc, the sound of tens of thousands of people chanting Thorpie sounded like ... 4P4P4P.
Cheers,
D

Beamish is made in Cork. According to my friends, it and Murphy's are the only true Irish beers. Guiness is owned by the English, and you can guess how they feel about that, although I've never seen them turn down a pint:)
I think it's probably my favorite beer for the time being.
I visted the bass player a few years ago while I was producing an album in London and you could have thrown a rock and hit the Beamish factory from his house.

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Beamish is made in Cork. According to my friends, it and Murphy's are the only true Irish beers. Guiness is owned by the English, and you can guess how they feel about that, although I've never seen them turn down a pint:)

Politics should never interfere with beer drinking. Sure, Guinness is headquartered in London, but it did originate in Ireland and predates Beamish by a few odd years.

That said, I would probably take a Beamish or a Murphey's over a Guinness given the choice.

[davedempsey]

Beamish is made in Cork. According to my friends, it and Murphy's are the only true Irish beers. Guiness is owned by the English, and you can guess how they feel about that, although I've never seen them turn down a pint:)
I think it's probably my favorite beer for the time being.
I visted the bass player a few years ago while I was producing an album in London and you could have thrown a rock and hit the Beamish factory from his house.

Ah yes the English/Irish situ... my family origins being Irish...O'Dempsey.... apparently we were wealthy landowners who supported the English for centuries until the fateful day..

This might sound a bit weird but you should give it a try...50% Guiness, 50% brut champagne.
P.S.Definitely - pour the Guiness first.

[tripit@earthlink.net]

Beamish is made in Cork. According to my friends, it and Murphy's are the only true Irish beers. Guiness is owned by the English, and you can guess how they feel about that, although I've never seen them turn down a pint:)

Politics should never interfere with beer drinking. Sure, Guinness is headquartered in London, but it did originate in Ireland and predates Beamish by a few odd years.

That said, I would probably take a Beamish or a Murphey's over a Guinness given the choice.

Like I said, I never saw them turn down a pint:) The only time I ever heard politics mixing with beer was when we were in France and the only beer was 1664 - god awful brew that. Bad beer makes for bad company.

[Phil O]

Wait a minute. This thread has turned to talking about beer. How'd I miss that?

I bought my son-in-law a beer making kit for Christmas. Best thing I ever did. He's turning out some mighty fine brew!

Phil