Powercore 2.2 plugins won't load

[jweisbin]

DP 5.1.1, Powercore version 2.2, mac OS X 10.4.8, dual 2.7 G5, RME Fireface 800.

Just updated to Powercore version 2.2, from 1.9.6. Tried to load the plugins in DP but their control panels don't appear, just get the menu bar with the mini-menu list of presets, which seem to be there. Also apples to the Sony Oxford plugins which run on Powercre. I tried deleting and rebuilding the AU cache and that didn't help. Anyone else seeing this?

When validating the plugins, there is a very brief message about something possibly "degrading performance, but it flashes by too fast to read. I thought MOTU leaves a log file somewhere but I can't find it.

[mhschmieder]

Are you using the firewire version of Powercore or one of the PCI variants? The reason I ask is that I seem to recall TC telling me at the show about a known problem with the firewire version either relative to a recent OS X update or maybe recent driver updates. Please don't quote this as it is vague and from memory, and as I do not own any sort of Powercore yet (I was talking to them about Powercore vs. their hardware, and firewire vs. PCI, for future purchase decisions), it's just abstract enough that I might have gotten it wrong. Maybe it was the newer PCI format with the problem. The main point is that I recall that the form factor of Powercore made a difference as to whether the problem manifested itself or not.

[arno]

DP 5.1.1, Powercore version 2.2, mac OS X 10.4.8, dual 2.7 G5, RME Fireface 800.

Just updated to Powercore version 2.2, from 1.9.6. Tried to load the plugins in DP but their control panels don't appear, just get the menu bar with the mini-menu list of presets, which seem to be there. Also apples to the Sony Oxford plugins which run on Powercre. I tried deleting and rebuilding the AU cache and that didn't help. Anyone else seeing this?

When validating the plugins, there is a very brief message about something possibly "degrading performance, but it flashes by too fast to read. I thought MOTU leaves a log file somewhere but I can't find it.

same problem for me here with the apparently same configuration as you , my powercore is the compact one . this is really boring ... i will probably sell that powercore soon , enough of it ! too bugged !

[kgdrum]

i don't know if this helps you ,I have the Poco/pci (1st version)and it works O.K. .......software version 1.95.........I got pissed that TC was not giving people w/ older cards new plugs that come in newer software updates so I stopped w/Software updates(if it works......)maybe you can try another older software build version?

[emulatorloo]

Just updated to Powercore version 2.2, from 1.9.6. Tried to load the plugins in DP but their control panels don't appear

Open a support case over at TC -- they need to know about this.

http://tcsupport.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/t ... er/ask.php


I had a similar problem when I went from 1.9.6 to 2.0. There were lots of other problems w 2.0 so they eventually pulled it. I went back to 1.9. and am still there.

Good luck and let us know what TC says.

[jweisbin]

I'm using the FW Powercore. I held off upgrading from version 1.9.6 for a long time because Logic would give me a kernel panic everytime it tried to validate the new plugins after version 2.0.x. Finally took the plunge because Sony updated their Oxford stuff, which is all I really use. Still got the kernel panic, but finally figured out a workaround - unplugged my RME FW interface when validating, then plugged it back in after restarting. Never got kernel panics with DP, but the plugins just don't work with P 5.1.1 on my system.

TC support is awful. They won't let you call them, you have to log in and leave a message. After you leave a message, you get an email full of vanilla trouble shooting suggestions. You then have to log back on and submit your message again after verifying that you read that junk. Then you wait several days for a guy to come back with something like - "please give us details of your system" - which of course you already did in your original message. Then you wait several days and get another message like "fix your permissions", which of course you've already done. Etc etc.

[emulatorloo]

TC support is awful. They won't let you call them, you have to log in and leave a message.

I've had decent luck the couple of times I have needed it.

Yes the online system not the greatest way to get tech supt, but I was happy that I didn't have to telephone Denmark to get tech support!

Seems like more and more companies are taking that approach though -- m-audio comes to mind.

At any rate, they need to know about this problem, even if you feel they can't/won't help you. . .

Best of Luck and hope you get it sorted out.

[Mr_Clifford]

I've had nothing but trouble with my Powercore (PCI mkI) (the AU stuff, VST is fine) since v2.0. v1.9.6 worked perfectly and they haven't done anything to the plug-ins in v2.0 just a 'prettier' control panel, which pretty much still does all the same things.

Currently I can get all the plug-ins to work in DP except the chorus/delay (has anyone found a use for that one anyway?)

BTW here's a tip I found for anyone like me on the PCI mkI.

When installing the updated software do a standard install with the optional plug-ins (even though mkI can't run them), then delete the optional/extra plug-ins from the plugin folder before launching DP - it was the only I could even get the plugins to work.

[monkey man]

Hey, Cliffo,

Nothing but trouble over here, too.
Every iteration of the software since 1.9.5 has had problems for me.
I seem to recall 1.9.6 as being the most useful.

Considering the fact that their Native Bundle still works flawlessly, I'm disgusted.
I saved for 2 years to buy it based on my TC (NB) experience to that point.
It took months to even get it working.

I also install everything (there's no option to install sans demos), and delete the trial plugs.
What a cheek, methinks; it's a rotten trick to play on those who can't afford extra plugs.
Also, those extra plugs chew RAM, and there're more of them than in the stock bundle!
Downloadable demos for those who're interested, I say.
Throwing these things into the mix (pun, sorry) as if they somehow sweeten the deal makes me wanna puke.
How about putting some of that energy you spend on your fancy "demo management" system, with its minute-accurate consumption meter and convenient payment option into... stability, TC?
Never mind the payment-schemes; let's get the software working first!
There, now I should feel better. Trouble is, I don't, and always seem to have a bitter taste in my mouth after thinking about PoCo.
I know, I know; I shouldn't think with my mouth, but it beats havin' said taste in one's brain.

My theory on the TC ChorusDelay plug is that they were hoping that by including it, someone would find a use for it.
Pathetic. How about tempo-sync for the delay? I mean, it is a delay plug.

PoCo is the only pro plug/plug suite I've bought so far.
Hardly encouraging.
As I've said before, if it were'nt for the DeNoise inclusion in the MkII bundle, I'd have ditched PoCo by now and not looked back.
TC has continued to promise innovation and UI improvements.
Great. All they've delivered, AFAICT, has been misery and bugs.
Not a single new preset either, even where they're thin on the ground, as is the case with some plugs.

Not happy, Jan.
Still, the monkey holds out for a TC miracle, and that it would have to be.

Sorry for the vent; it seemed like the time and place for it.

[jgest]

Hey, Cliffo,

Nothing but trouble over here, too.
Every iteration of the software since 1.9.5 has had problems for me.
I seem to recall 1.9.6 as being the most useful.


Still, the monkey holds out for a TC miracle, and that it would have to be.

Sorry for the vent; it seemed like the time and place for it.

I must say I agree with you. I have a poco pci mk1 and a firewire. I wanted to run Virus powercore which I do, but as you may/might know has it's own bugs.....
I have thinking about selling the whole thing lately, especially since I am on a mackbook pro now and cant use the pci, nor is the UB version released yet, and it seems they are not updating nor addressing some of the bugs in virus powercore (unless something was mentioned at namm)....

On a separate OT monk. I have been reading about Australia's drought and it's correlation to global warming. There was a mention of the entire country having to use recycled water in the near future. Out of curiosity, is the average aussie even aware of this condition? It seems Australia (and china) is going to see this condition only worsen.......sorry to drift the topic.

[Mr_Clifford]

On a separate OT monk. I have been reading about Australia's drought and it's correlation to global warming. There was a mention of the entire country having to use recycled water in the near future. Out of curiosity, is the average aussie even aware of this condition? It seems Australia (and china) is going to see this condition only worsen.......sorry to drift the topic.

Bring on the frothy brown tap water!!!!!

Serously though, do people really think that the dams aren't full of fish, birds and other animals running (or swimming) around defecating in it anyway. Not to mention the fact that every drop of water you drink has most likely been through someones digestive tract at some stage. The Earth has been recycling water since the beginning of time (and we just thought it magically appeared in the sky).

Not having a go at you jgest. Just venting about the mis-information and scare-mongering that the media feeds us.

Back to PoCo. All I can say is that at least the plugs, even though unchanged since I bought it in 2002, are REALLY good. Particularly the compressor, EQ, and classic verb. If you can get them working.

[jweisbin]

Here is TC's response:

"Thanks fo rthe e-mail. Unfortunately this is not a known issue for the TC plugs within Digital Performer. Considering the device works as expected within other audio applications you tested, it would be more beneficial for you to contacdt MOTU to get there perspective on teh issue. They would be able to provide further information as to why the plugs do not show up in their host program, but do show up in others. perhaps an issue within DP preferences. Please contact them and see what progress you get. Should you or they need anything, please update thsi e-mail."

Yeah, right

[jgest]

On a separate OT monk. I have been reading about Australia's drought and it's correlation to global warming. There was a mention of the entire country having to use recycled water in the near future. Out of curiosity, is the average aussie even aware of this condition? It seems Australia (and china) is going to see this condition only worsen.......sorry to drift the topic.

Bring on the frothy brown tap water!!!!!

Serously though, do people really think that the dams aren't full of fish, birds and other animals running (or swimming) around defecating in it anyway. Not to mention the fact that every drop of water you drink has most likely been through someones digestive tract at some stage. The Earth has been recycling water since the beginning of time (and we just thought it magically appeared in the sky).

Not having a go at you jgest. Just venting about the mis-information and scare-mongering that the media feeds us.

Yes your right, no offense taken. I was more interested if water conservation had reached a mass consciousness level. Or is it all mis information......

[Mr_Clifford]

I was more interested if water conservation had reached a mass consciousness level. Or is it all mis information......

Yeah, I think it's all had a positive effect in making the population value water more highly and not be wasteful. Personally I think that the council turning off and emptying the water fountains at the front of City Hall was populist overkill, but I suppose they were trying to lead by example.

Have you heard of the legendary recording engineer Mike Stavrou? (Pretenders, Elton John, worked for Air studios) He invented a water saving gadget that's basically a 'mute' button on your shower - you get the water to the temperature you want, then flick the flow on and off as you need it to save water while you lather up etc.


ANYWAY...................

[monkey man]

Warning: Hippy-fodder to follow...
Apologies in advance.

Serously though, do people really think that the dams aren't full of fish, birds and other animals running (or swimming) around defecating in it anyway.

All wastes are elegantly processed and absorbed by a perfectly designed ecological system.
Dang, you can even run an aquarium indefinitely if you really know what you're doing.

The Earth has been recycling water since the beginning of time

Exactly. We haven't.

Herein lies my beef. We dump maybe 100 000 foreign, synthesised and toxic chemicals into our waste-system.
The evaporation of pure water from the ocean which finds its way into the river systems and water tables, along with the natural dilution and subsequent processing of waste in the sea, estuaries etc, mean a safer-quality drinking water than technology-based solutions can produce, at least in "quantity".

Water has its memory wiped when it evaporates, and "learns" from its journey downstream, and through underground waterways and living systems.
Few have noticed, but water doesn't have the cleaning power it used to; it's not as "hungry to learn", as it should be.
All things being equal, one has to use more detergent in the wash nowadays, for example.
The more eager it is to learn, the more useful it is in the body, too, partly 'cause it's already learned so much.
Just as in life, the water that's learned much (the most valuable) is hungriest, and will suck impurities best.
If you allow water to trickle down a sloped, clean piece of glass, you'll notice it still doesn't run straight.
It's literally seeking knowledge. The hungrier it is, the wider the area it'll meander.
Of course, the synthetic nature of the impurities absorbed, the storage in dams (think dead, anaerobic etc.), addition of chemicals for protection of under-city plumbing, taste and the like, and its delivery under pressure all erase/use up/saturate the water's hunger, memory and potential.
It's lifeless. Almost.

Now, picture taking this lifeless water and squashing the crap out of it through reverse osmosis units.
Whatever life was there...

How about the medical drugs all patients pee every day?
Then there're the pills. Any public portable dunny worker can tell you about them; most are passed through looking almost as-new, with stamped labels still legible.
We don't see 'em, but the porta-potty blokes know the score; they get stopped by the wire grids they use to keep other human crap(!) out.
If one considers the fact that most women are on the pill 28 days a month, it gets real scary.
This is partly why fish and animal life in the Thames are suffering infertility problems and those of a certain sex being way out of proportion in many populations.
I say "partly" because the other 100 000 chemicals have effects in all areas of biology.
Mercury, for instance, shuts down hormone production and use.
As there are hundreds of hormones in us, and because they're critically involved in almost every processs of the body, literally hundreds of diseases and perhaps thousands of symptoms are possible.
I should know, as I've had to live with multiple heavy-metal poisonings.

Since the 80's I've been aware of the fact that Britain's water table is in fact measurably polluted by medical drugs.
The average pom consumes 22 000 tables in his lifetime (mostly headache and pain-relief).
Multiply that by the population and you see the problem

So, in my somewhat informed ('been poisoned my whole life, studying aquaristics and nature since age 3 etc), but politically incorrect opinion, the debate has conveniently side-stepped all the issues I've mentioned, and then some.
It all comes back to my, again, informed but unpopular opinion that if you build a society upon lies and half-truths, ignoring hard-earned, old-school wisdom, you's gonna pay the price.
Let's face it, if you really explore conventional wisdom with a passion, you'll find it ain't wisdom at all; it's lies.

Not having a go at you jgest. Just venting about the mis-information and scare-mongering that the media feeds us.

If they themselves knew the truth they could really scare us.