Hi.
I have been reading a lot of badmouthing about Motus drivers for PC. But I am very attracted by the expandability of the system. So please help me make a choice.
1, Are motus drivers for win xp really much worse than other brands? Should I choose something else?
2, Which is the best solution on win XP, PCI 424 based or firewire?
3, Are there any special products that I should avoid?
Motu on PCs, firewire or PCI?
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Discussion related to installation, configuration and use of MOTU hardware such as MIDI interfaces, audio interfaces, etc. for Mac OSX
Discussion related to installation, configuration and use of MOTU hardware such as MIDI interfaces, audio interfaces, etc. for Mac OSX
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GearNostalgia
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PedroCruz
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Hello, thats true, there is lot of "badmouthing about Motus drivers for PC" and thanks god i cant understand why...
Ive been a Motu user since PCI324 and now with PCI424 i never had problems with MOTU drivers on PC...
No problems with the 1st drivers released and no problems with the newer ones...
The only problem i had with MOTU hardware so far was with PCI-424 and once Motu guys said it was their fault, they didnt charged me for the repairings... now its running perfectly...
I run it on my P4 3.2Ghz, mobo MSI with 875p intel chipset... I dont know if this is the solution, i dont think so, but this chipset was high aclaimed for best compatibility a couple year ago... Its very hardware friendly
Pedro Cruz
Ive been a Motu user since PCI324 and now with PCI424 i never had problems with MOTU drivers on PC...
No problems with the 1st drivers released and no problems with the newer ones...
The only problem i had with MOTU hardware so far was with PCI-424 and once Motu guys said it was their fault, they didnt charged me for the repairings... now its running perfectly...
I run it on my P4 3.2Ghz, mobo MSI with 875p intel chipset... I dont know if this is the solution, i dont think so, but this chipset was high aclaimed for best compatibility a couple year ago... Its very hardware friendly
Pedro Cruz
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GearNostalgia
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Hi Pedro, thank you for your input. So what do you think I should choose then? PCI or Firewire? I plan on expanding to some 30 channels eventually, but I may start out with just 8 and and expand from there.
Also I am wondering, if I use the DSPmixer in the hardware for monitoring do I need the PC conncetion at all then?
Also I am wondering, if I use the DSPmixer in the hardware for monitoring do I need the PC conncetion at all then?
I have the 424pcix and 4 2408's.
I have yet to experience any issues, but there is still time.
I had driver issues back in the 98SE days, but the XP days seem to be pretty solid.
I would suggest this:
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/885222/en-us
If you are on SP2.
LEX
I have yet to experience any issues, but there is still time.
I had driver issues back in the 98SE days, but the XP days seem to be pretty solid.
I would suggest this:
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/885222/en-us
If you are on SP2.
LEX
I'd vote PCI here as well, just due to what I've seen from people's posts here about FW compatibility issues. AFA failures, those are probably higher too with the FW boxes (again, judging from here), but there have been a few too many recent reports of people having to send back PCI cards,etc. (fingers crossed).
Pedro- Glad you missed it, but there were some minor issues in the first few driver builds (Bullmoon and I were around for it). Problem with the MOTU PC support is that when stuff like that comes up, there's really no telling when or if it will ever be fixed, and communication is notoriously poor. For a while, it looked like our issues would be blamed on Steinberg indefinitely.
I also still stand by my belief that this stuff is not as thoroughly tested on as wide a range of PC hardware as many other manufacturers who support the platform, so don't expect to run anything too rare or new. Get something that's known to work now and be safe.
Good luck!
George
Pedro- Glad you missed it, but there were some minor issues in the first few driver builds (Bullmoon and I were around for it). Problem with the MOTU PC support is that when stuff like that comes up, there's really no telling when or if it will ever be fixed, and communication is notoriously poor. For a while, it looked like our issues would be blamed on Steinberg indefinitely.
I also still stand by my belief that this stuff is not as thoroughly tested on as wide a range of PC hardware as many other manufacturers who support the platform, so don't expect to run anything too rare or new. Get something that's known to work now and be safe.
Good luck!
George
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GearNostalgia
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Hey again,
I'm probably the wrong guy to ask, as I usually stay a couple generations behind on host machine myself (UAD's pull most of my weight). I'm coincidentally running an A7N8X-E (Nvidea nForce2), and I've managed to use the original 424. Any of the more current 424s will likely give less trouble in that regard. I think you'll be fine with it, but you may be able to fish up the board or chipset, along with MOTU or something in somebody's specs or sig, maybe in one of the DAW forums.
Good luck,
George
I'm probably the wrong guy to ask, as I usually stay a couple generations behind on host machine myself (UAD's pull most of my weight). I'm coincidentally running an A7N8X-E (Nvidea nForce2), and I've managed to use the original 424. Any of the more current 424s will likely give less trouble in that regard. I think you'll be fine with it, but you may be able to fish up the board or chipset, along with MOTU or something in somebody's specs or sig, maybe in one of the DAW forums.
Good luck,
George
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Larry Sheehan
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Win XP drivers have been rock solid for me. I installed in 2003 with the driver available at that time (original 424 Card). Since then I have gotten the newer 424 card (due to motherboard upgrade) in August 2006 and I installed the most current driver at that time. Been rock solid again. I'm on an MSI K9N SLI platinum mobo with a dual core athlon x2 4600. No issues at all.
Larry Sheehan
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San Gabriel Sound
PC user + 2408
hello frineds i‘been a mac user, but now i‘m a pc user ( mac is too expensive) , this is my system,two yamaha 02 r whit 3 optical slots, a original motu 2408( whit the The pci 324) , I‘m using sonar and nuendo, I need take full advantage form my system ,I need to record 24 tracks simutaneuosly, going and comming thru digital domaing etc.
Im having trouble , the system is not solvent , some time I exprerience click pops, . Im not sure about upgrading my pci card, and what pci should i get? Waht if it does‘not work?
...Im checked the syncronization option but is not the problem.
If some one have a similar system , i ned your help!!!!!
Sorry about my english ....... :
Im having trouble , the system is not solvent , some time I exprerience click pops, . Im not sure about upgrading my pci card, and what pci should i get? Waht if it does‘not work?
...Im checked the syncronization option but is not the problem.
If some one have a similar system , i ned your help!!!!!
Sorry about my english ....... :
gualso,
Long time no see. I think (guessing) that either the current "x" or "e" version of the 424 card would have no trouble with a mk1. If you have PCI-e slots, I guess the e is going to be higher bandwidth, longterm, but even the 324 generation stuff was supposed to have been designed to accommodate more than a couple of the three bank interfaces, so you shouldn't even be having a bottleneck with the 324.
Before blaming the 324, you may want to try tracking down a nice and fast temporary host from a few generations back (slow by today's standards), just to see it stream the 24 tracks with no noise. If you had the exact same setup running on a Mac host, I guess that's a good start, but it could still be poorly written PC drivers or an incompatibility.
Sorry I can't be of more help, but I've never owned a 324. Maybe if Lex sees this, he'll know something about it, but you will at least have to get some more details about the host machine in here (motherboard, video, etc.).
Good Luck,
George
PS- 24 channels @ 44/48 24bit is practically nothing by today's standards. If the system can't stream that, it would likely seem like software or an incompatibility, but maybe it is still something that just needs to be reconfigured.
BTW- Grab a copy of Simpli Software's "HD Tach" and run some checks on your audio drive just to make sure that's not involved in any way. Anything fairly current should get ridiculously high readings (like >30M/s). You also can't rule out an unfixable hardware conflict between the Yamaha's and whatever digital interfacing MOTU used, which is why I suggested checking it in a different host (as well as standalone connections if possible). I had weird trouble with an Alesis AI-3 and my 2408mk3, via lightpipe, and neither of the two had any noticeable problem with other ADAT gear here. Might be wise to see if you can find someone else who ran an 02R on that same MOTU box too.
Long time no see. I think (guessing) that either the current "x" or "e" version of the 424 card would have no trouble with a mk1. If you have PCI-e slots, I guess the e is going to be higher bandwidth, longterm, but even the 324 generation stuff was supposed to have been designed to accommodate more than a couple of the three bank interfaces, so you shouldn't even be having a bottleneck with the 324.
Before blaming the 324, you may want to try tracking down a nice and fast temporary host from a few generations back (slow by today's standards), just to see it stream the 24 tracks with no noise. If you had the exact same setup running on a Mac host, I guess that's a good start, but it could still be poorly written PC drivers or an incompatibility.
Sorry I can't be of more help, but I've never owned a 324. Maybe if Lex sees this, he'll know something about it, but you will at least have to get some more details about the host machine in here (motherboard, video, etc.).
Good Luck,
George
PS- 24 channels @ 44/48 24bit is practically nothing by today's standards. If the system can't stream that, it would likely seem like software or an incompatibility, but maybe it is still something that just needs to be reconfigured.
BTW- Grab a copy of Simpli Software's "HD Tach" and run some checks on your audio drive just to make sure that's not involved in any way. Anything fairly current should get ridiculously high readings (like >30M/s). You also can't rule out an unfixable hardware conflict between the Yamaha's and whatever digital interfacing MOTU used, which is why I suggested checking it in a different host (as well as standalone connections if possible). I had weird trouble with an Alesis AI-3 and my 2408mk3, via lightpipe, and neither of the two had any noticeable problem with other ADAT gear here. Might be wise to see if you can find someone else who ran an 02R on that same MOTU box too.