MIDI Edit Window bug?

[jimchik]

Hey Everyone,

glad I found this forum again and that it's current!

Using DP 10.13, in the latest Catalina rev. Are there known bugs in the MIDI edit window (also known as the piano roll window)? Sometimes, the window doesn't update after a punch in or overdub; Often, in a project with many chunks, the MIDI edit window will not show the current active chunk... These are the two that happen the most often.

Thanks in advance for any helpful thoughts or ideas.

All the best

James

[HCMarkus]

I'm running Mojave 10.14.6 with DP10.13 but have noticed no issues in the Event List window.

I use the Sequence Editor for graphic MIDI editing these days.

[bayswater]

On the first question, I see updates as the recordings are being done (with OS X 10.13.6).

On the second, yes, there are odd circumstances where the contents in various editors don't align with the each other, or the Sequence active in the Chunks Window. I assume this is to help access data in non active sequences for editing purposes, like copy and paste tracks or data from one sequence to another. I keep things simple by always selecting the sequence in the Chunks window. With that, the editor windows always switch to the selected sequence.

[CharlzS]

Often, in a project with many chunks, the MIDI edit window will not show the current active chunk... These are the two that happen the most often.

How are you switching Chunks? If using the mini menus in the windows, I think what you describe is the expected behavior. If you switch Chunks using the play button in the Chunks Window or picking the sequence from the the Project --> Sequences menu, everything should be in sync if you're working in the Consolidated Window (there is a CW preference to update edit windows to the play enabled sequence). When the MIDI windows is popped out, it stays with the seq when it was popped out.

You can select the seq in the Control Panel also under the time display.

[jimchik]

On the first question, I see updates as the recordings are being done (with OS X 10.13.6).

On the second, yes, there are odd circumstances where the contents in various editors don't align with the each other, or the Sequence active in the Chunks Window. I assume this is to help access data in non active sequences for editing purposes, like copy and paste tracks or data from one sequence to another. I keep things simple by always selecting the sequence in the Chunks window. With that, the editor windows always switch to the selected sequence.

Thanks for this. I usually select chunks from the menu in the TO Window. I'll try it this way.

The project is a collection of practice tracks (as chunks) for learning songs for students at an acting academy. Just piano (in a virtual track). I then keep adding tracks as the students need them. Hence, there can easily be more than 20 chunks in the project... 40 is not impossible. I create a new chunk by duplicating the track layout, then of course renaming it and I'm good to go.

Another oddity is:

in the upper right-hand corner of the Quickscribe window is a drop down of all the Chunks. Selecting the active chunk is never an issue here. But in the MIDI window, in the similar space, there is only an option to select the track. This is depute using the Track selection window to select which track's data I'm working with. It's all a bit strange.

[dix]

Yes, as I think has been expressed above, MIDI Editor windows not in the Consolidated Window will continue to show the data from the sequence they were opened from regardless of which sequence is active. Ideally I'd prefer to be able change sequences, rather than tracks (how it is now), from the upper right mini menu in the MEs, like it is in other editor windows. The Track Selector is all I need in the ME for this.

One other annoying bug that's been in the ME for a long time is that MIDI Edit (selected notes can be moved by playing a MIDI note on a keyboard) doesn't work. The workaround-fix is to click on the Desktop and then click back to the ME. After that MIDI Edit works as expected with that window in that sequence. Easy enough, but cumbersome. I often don't bother and just drag the note instead.

[jimchik]

So just to update things...

I’ve tried selecting a chunk from the Chunks Window. But then going to the MIDI window met with the same result. Going right away to the Quickscribe window, it showed data from the previous chunk I was working in, but as always, was easily able to switch to the chunk of choice from the upper right drop down. The current chunk as shown in the Tracks Overview window showed simply a blank field where the active chunk’s name is normally displayed. Reselecting the chunk cleaned that up. But then I was right back to where I was with the other windows.

And yet, somehow, eventually, as I start working in the chunk of choice, things line up and everything is great, until I add another new chunk or switch to an existing one.

Thanks, again.

[CharlzS]

There is a Consolidated Window preference "update edit windows to the play enabled sequence". Do you have that selected? Rather than switching chunks, terminology here might be easier with switching sequences.

[jimchik]

There is a Consolidated Window preference "update edit windows to the play enabled sequence". Do you have that selected? Rather than switching chunks, terminology here might be easier with switching sequences.

I was just in Preferences and found the MIDI editing options under Editing. I selected, “open 1 MIDI editor for each sequence with all MIDI tracks.” This in essence the way I always have worked (although I can see advantages to having more than one MIDI editing window open at a time). At first glance it seems to have helped, but we’ll see.

Thanks for the info.

[jimchik]

There is a Consolidated Window preference "update edit windows to the play enabled sequence". Do you have that selected? Rather than switching chunks, terminology here might be easier with switching sequences.

Yeah, that was already selected.. Thanks, though.

After working yesterday for a few hours, there was no one consistent cause or pattern to the disconnect that I could see.


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[CharlzS]

One last thought - when you use a window mini menu (upper right) to select a sequence, the other edit windows will not sync. You've selected it individually and DP respects that. If you use the drop down sequence selection from the Control Panel, select the sequence from the Project --> Sequences option or press the play button for a sequence in the Chunks window, the windows should be in sync. This is based on using the Consolidated Window. If not using the CW, then . . .

[bayswater]

I wonder if Matt covered this in one of the webinars. And whether these videos will ever be posted. They're still listed as "coming soon".

[jimchik]

One last thought - when you use a window mini menu (upper right) to select a sequence, the other edit windows will not sync. You've selected it individually and DP respects that. If you use the drop down sequence selection from the Control Panel, select the sequence from the Project --> Sequences option or press the play button for a sequence in the Chunks window, the windows should be in sync. This is based on using the Consolidated Window. If not using the CW, then . . .

Ok. I think I better understand now, between the various ways to call up a chunk. I had been using, really exclusively, the drop down menu in the TO window, next to the starch window/field. Play enabling a chunk from the chunks window was not proof, especially right after creating a new chunk. Selecting the chunk from the drop down in the control panel is a new option for me and at first glance, this seems to be solid.

Thank you to everyone for your thoughts and clarifications. It’s all been a big help, as usual.

Best.

[jimchik]

One last thought - when you use a window mini menu (upper right) to select a sequence, the other edit windows will not sync. You've selected it individually and DP respects that. If you use the drop down sequence selection from the Control Panel, select the sequence from the Project --> Sequences option or press the play button for a sequence in the Chunks window, the windows should be in sync. This is based on using the Consolidated Window. If not using the CW, then . . .

So, yeah. I am using the tabs to switch windows, keeping everything except the Mixer window attached.

Just opened the Project. Selected a chunk from the CP drop down, and all the other edit windows were in sync. Created a new chunk, recorded it, etc.. everything was fine. Then selected a previously existing chunk, the same way. Only the currently viewed edit window (MIDI, TO...) followed the selection. The newly selected chunk of course played, but, for instance, when selecting it from the TO window, it was not displayed in the MIDI Edit window. And vice versa. At least in the QS windows, I could call up the active chunk (or any chunk) at will. But this is not so in the MIDI edit window.

Am I driving you all nuts yet...? Ugh...

Thanks again. Even if it’s to say that MOTU needs to take a look at it.

Best.


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[bayswater]

Even if it’s to say that MOTU needs to take a look at it.

Nuts here. Maybe a clear explanation is in order, but not sure MOTU needs to do much more.

With everything in a Consolidated Window, if I select a sequence in a pane other than Chunks, it only changes the active sequence for that pane. If I select a sequence in the Chunks window, it changes the active sequence in all panes. That's, as they used to say, is a feature, not a bug. (The exception is the Chunks window -- it can be popped out of the CW)

If a pane is popped out into a separate window, its active sequence does not follow the selection in the Chunks window , or in other windows -- it only follows the selection in its own drop down menu. That's a design choice one may or may not agree with. But it allows you to have multiple Track windows open at the same time, set to different sequences. So on the whole, it's probably a good thing.

As far as I can see, the drop down menu in the Control Panel duplicates the behaviour of the Chunks window and has all the same effects on active and displayed sequences in and out of the CW.

If your project behaves differently, it might be worth sending it to MOTU as a Techlink. Otherwise, they would probably say everything is as it should be.