DP 7.24 errorPlugins

[Klaus]

Hi all
hope everybody is doing fine !
I've been mostly busy with live sound lately...
Now when I came back to listen / work on a DP 7.24
project that was made about 2 years ago, I get
a Mac os / DP Plugins Error,
http://www.redmountain.ch/DPerrorPlugin ... .54.49.pdf
Is DP 7.24 having problems with plugins, that have been updated ?
Should I delete any prefs ?
Thanks a bunch for help
and best regards

Klaus

[HCMarkus]

Hi Klaus; good to see you!

What version of DP are you normally running?

If you are usually working with a newer version of DP, can you open the project in that newer version? I've been successful in opening projects going back to DP 4.x using DP11.

[Klaus]

I tried to insert a pic from the error on screen

now it worked as jpg...

It seems it is plugin- related...
not ?
I just tried another ( backup mac DP7.24 / Macos 10.13 )
and that one opens the project just fine...
This mac has also DP 9 installed,
and I remember having had 32bit / 64 bit issues with plugins, but
could solve them...but how ?
( reinstall of DP v 7 or tell DP 9 to run in 32 bit mode ? )
Seems I have to check all plugins for compatibility
or copy the plugins folder that works from mac to mac ?
BTW
is there an error log that states exactly details about missing plugs ?

Thanks for help and
best regards

Klaus

DP7.24 / Macos 10.12 / 10.13

[mikehalloran]

There's a difference between an Info message and an Error.

DP 7.x cannot run 64 bit only plug-ins. Period—there is no workaround.

DP 9.x cannot run 32 bit only plug-ins unless you run it in 32 bit mode through the Get Info window—then it cannot run 64 bit only plug-ins. Since MacOS 10.15 Catalina, 32 bit plugs cannot run and the DAW does not matter—not your issue yet.

Here's where it gets fun: If you had 7.4 running on a Mac, installed 9.x on it then try to run 7 again, it won't see many of your plug-ins again till you reinstall 7.24. The last installation overwrites the shared resources files in the Library and sets the 32/64 Default. I tested this years ago in another thread.

Universal plugs can run both 32 and 64 bit on a Mac but those are growing fewer since the MacOS went 64 bit only five years ago. Many plug-in updates have dropped 32 bit support.

You cannot attach a .pdf graphic but you can attach a .png or .jpg screen shot of that grsphic.

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[James Steele]

DP 9.x cannot run 32 bit only plug-ins unless you run it in 32 bit mode through the Get Info window—then it cannot run 64 bit only plug-ins. Since MacOS 10.15 Catalina, 32 bit plugs cannot run and the DAW does not matter—not your issue yet.

His sig says he’s running MacOS 10.12 and 10.13? If so, 32 Lives is an option up through 10.14, although might not be worth it to spend the money unless you’re determined to remain on Mojave or below.


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[Klaus]

Thanks for replies guys !
On to check / replace plugs, I know this machine was / is for 32bit plugs
As for DP's prefs setting 32 - or 64 bit , can this be set in a pref
or do I have to reinstall 7.24 ?
And yes, the bu machine that works with the project runs DP 9 in 32 bit mode...
But I checked the project on this machine with DP 7.24 and it works...

Thanks
and
best regards

Klaus

[mikehalloran]

Thanks for replies guys !
On to check / replace plugs, I know this machine was / is for 32bit plugs
As for DP's prefs setting 32 - or 64 bit , can this be set in a pref
or do I have to reinstall 7.24 ?
And yes, the bu machine that works with the project runs DP 9 in 32 bit mode...
But I checked the project on this machine with DP 7.24 and it works...

Thanks
and
best regards

Klaus

Hey Klaus,

To run DP9 in 32bit mode, click on it and run Get Info. There should be a check box for 32 bit.

Although DP 7.24 can be reinstalled over High Sierra, it cannot run over MacOS 10.13.x. There is no way to authenticate the CD on an APFS volume and no workaround.

[James Steele]

Thanks for replies guys !
On to check / replace plugs, I know this machine was / is for 32bit plugs
As for DP's prefs setting 32 - or 64 bit , can this be set in a pref
or do I have to reinstall 7.24 ?
And yes, the bu machine that works with the project runs DP 9 in 32 bit mode...
But I checked the project on this machine with DP 7.24 and it works...

Thanks
and
best regards

Klaus

Klaus... this may or may not help directly, but if you plan on staying on DP 7.24 for a while and MacOS versions earlier than Catalina, you might try out 32 Lives:

https://www.soundradix.com/products/32-lives/

It should lets you run 32-bit plugs while DP is running in 64-bit. They have a 14-day trial. It's $99. That seems ridiculous today given that it won't work on Catalina and later. However, if you want to do the 14-day trial to see if it is useful to you, I'll be happy to "give" you my license if you'll cover the $25 fee that iLok charges to transfer a license. I'm pretty sure I will not have any need for it again.

[mikehalloran]

Thanks for replies guys !
On to check / replace plugs, I know this machine was / is for 32bit plugs
As for DP's prefs setting 32 - or 64 bit , can this be set in a pref
or do I have to reinstall 7.24 ?
And yes, the bu machine that works with the project runs DP 9 in 32 bit mode...
But I checked the project on this machine with DP 7.24 and it works...

Thanks
and
best regards

Klaus

Klaus... this may or may not help directly, but if you plan on staying on DP 7.24 for a while and MacOS versions earlier than Catalina, you might try out 32 Lives:

https://www.soundradix.com/products/32-lives/

It should lets you run 32-bit plugs while DP is running in 64-bit. They have a 14-day trial. It's $99. That seems ridiculous today given that it won't work on Catalina and later. However, if you want to do the 14-day trial to see if it is useful to you, I'll be happy to "give" you my license if you'll cover the $25 fee that iLok charges to transfer a license. I'm pretty sure I will not have any need for it again.

7.24 cannot run over High Sierra or Mojave because of APFS and, with OS 10.13.6, mechanical HDDs were formatted APFS during installation, upgrade etc. Sierra doesn’t have this issue since it doesn’t support APFS.

32Lives runs in DP 9, however and is a good idea. Some of us still remember how to use it… I think I do but I forgot about iLok. The last version of 32Lives can also wrap VSTs as well as AUs.

[James Steele]

32Lives runs in DP 9, however and is a good idea. Some of us still remember how to use it… I think I do but I forgot about iLok. The last version of 32Lives can also wrap VSTs as well as AUs.

Ahhh... so 32 Lives won't work with DP 7.24?? I'm thinking it might because all it does is create a 64-bit wrapper and runs the plugin in the 32 Lives app in the background?

Oh well... either way, it reminds me that I have some software licenses that I know I will not need and if I can give them away to people who are running older systems that can use them, I'm happy to do so. 32 Lives isn't useful to me anymore... and sad to say, because I have a Focusrite Liquid Mix sitting in the corner that used to be fun! Probably my Console 1 smokes it sonically, but the Console 1 form factor is much larger. I digress.

[Klaus]

Success...
I managed to reload an older image with DP 7.24
made some adjustements and archived as '32bit'

Then I reloaded the system that has DP 7.24 and the problems I described,
followed HCMarkus's advice to use DP9.52, and it works...but in 32bit mode...
( Bittersweet II )
Tested some mixes I made with Mixbus32Cv9.1.324 and they also work
Now Mixbus32Cv9.1.324 is 64 bit, raising a question for me :
Can 32 bit Plugs and 64 bit plug live together in the plugins folder ?
Didn't test all plugs ...

Best regards

Klaus

[mikehalloran]

Glad you got it resolved.

For James: DP 7.24 was 32 bit only and incapable of running 64 bit plugs. 32Lives can’t work with it. If Klaus wants to try running 9.52 in 64 bit, then yes on 32Lives.

Klaus, Because of the advantages of running 64 bit, I recommend doing that. As James has pointed out, there’s a 14 day trial for 32Lives—if it doesn’t work out for you, reverting to 32 bit is easy by running Get Info and checking the box.

[Klaus]

Can 32 bit Plugs and 64 bit plug live together in the plugins folder ?

I 'think' I have 32 bit and 64 bit plugs installed, depending what DAW I use...

For now I'll leave this rig 'as is', and upgrade plugs as needed...

Thank you all for help
best regards
and stay well

Klaus

[Klaus]

Needed to complete ) reinstall some PSP plugs
and Antoni from PSP said his plugs are all universal,
32b / 64b
Cool

Best

Klaus