Osmose expressive e and DP

[jim2b]

Does anyone have experience setting this synth up to DP.

I can’t record MIDI from the Osmose into DP and hear the Osmose back .Everything else in the studio plays fine.

I can’t find a profile in the Audio/MIDI set up that handles an MPE device. It might have something to do with Bundles,
but I can’t figure it out.

I’m on DP version 11.1.

Thanks,

Jim

[mikehalloran]

The Osmose is a keyboard controller instrument from Expressive E that incorporates a custom version of the EaganMatrix sound engine synthesizer from the Haken Audio company.

It looks like there's a bit of a learning curve.

https://www.sweetwater.com/sweetcare/ar ... art-guide/

According to this video, you need to program Sources and Destinations for the Osmose to generate sound.

the https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGSubiBIC2o

[stubbsonic]

I feel like I waited decades for something like an Osmose to come out. I've long trumpeted the virtues of polyphonic AT-- based only on some fun experiences with the Ensoniq EPS and EPS 16+. Now that one is out and affordable, my gear "issues" have made it so I don't have room (or frankly, need) for one now.

Still quite glad to see it has made it out the door of Expressive E. Would love to hear your impressions, experiences.

[jim2b]

Hi Folks,

Thanks for the input.

I’ve made very good progress with this wonderful synth.

Once I hooked up the usb, it opened the door. DP provides two ports. The Osmose needs to be on port 2.

I also have MIDI in/out through an MTP AV.

I’ve tried it as a controller for Omnisphere and Dune(using ext.MIDI in the Osmose). It works great using the multi-channel setting in the Osmose.

I’ve opened up a host of possibilities.

I’ll post progress reports. This is truly a wonderful instrument.

Best,

Jim

[James Steele]

I've long trumpeted the virtues of polyphonic AT-- based only on some fun experiences with the Ensoniq EPS and EPS 16+.

Hmmmm... can you elaborate on this just a little? I still have an EPS 16+ that I love. I wonder if my NI Komplete Kontrol S61 Mk2 is capable of transmitting this. I have the rack module version of the EPS 16+. I still love that unit though!

[stubbsonic]

The Ensoniq EPS 16 (and 16+) had special sensors under each key so that you could create aftertouch messages that include a note number (polyphonic aftertouch).

I mostly used it for pitch things, but it was nice to be able to do things like press a note for vibrato whilst holding other notes that were unaffected.

I doubt that the NI keyboard will produce polyAT. It's actually pretty rare, and you would have read about it in the features list.

Do you only have the rack version of the EPS 16+? If so, then it will respond to polyAT messages that you send from a DAW or other controller with polyAT. If you do have a keyboard version, you can find other soft synths that respond to polyAT. There's a few lists floating around out there. I think the U-he stuff is polyAT compatible.

[James Steele]

The Ensoniq EPS 16 (and 16+) had special sensors under each key so that you could create aftertouch messages that include a note number (polyphonic aftertouch).

I mostly used it for pitch things, but it was nice to be able to do things like press a note for vibrato whilst holding other notes that were unaffected.

I doubt that the NI keyboard will produce polyAT. It's actually pretty rare, and you would have read about it in the features list.

Do you only have the rack version of the EPS 16+? If so, then it will respond to polyAT messages that you send from a DAW or other controller with polyAT. If you do have a keyboard version, you can find other soft synths that respond to polyAT. There's a few lists floating around out there. I think the U-he stuff is polyAT compatible.

Thanks for the info. Yeah... I have to read up on the Komplete Kontrol keyboard, but you're probably correct that it doesn't include it. . UPDATE: Just checked. Outta luck on the KK S61 Mk2: supports "aftertouch (channel pressure)." Alas!

[bjornln]

If you are just looking for polyAT, you can use (for example):
Synclavier
Prophet T-8
ASM Hydra
Waldorf iridium keyboard
or any other synth that has 49-key FATAR TP/8SK keyboard should have the ability to send PolyAT


Best,
/B

[stubbsonic]

If you are just looking for polyAT, you can use (for example):
Synclavier
Prophet T-8
ASM Hydra
Waldorf iridium keyboard
or any other synth that has 49-key FATAR TP/8SK keyboard should have the ability to send PolyAT

It doesn't look like the Prophet T8 has polyAT.

Cool to see that the Iridium does, I didn't know that.

I think your statement about any synth with 49-key Fatar TP/8SK is untrue. It is possible that some keyboard manufacturer may have used that keybed and modified it for polyAT, but it doesn't come that way.

http://www.fatar.com/Pages/TP_8SK.htm

[Michael Canavan]

Does anyone have experience setting this synth up to DP.

I can’t record MIDI from the Osmose into DP and hear the Osmose back .Everything else in the studio plays fine.

I can’t find a profile in the Audio/MIDI set up that handles an MPE device. It might have something to do with Bundles,
but I can’t figure it out.

I’m on DP version 11.1.

Thanks,

Jim

Audio MIDI setup as long as the Osmosis can transmit on all 16 channels, it should be fine for NPE work. MPE is handled in terms of recording by the DAW, in the case of DP look into Open Protocol Settings in the Sequence editor for the track you want to record the Osmosis into. Sounds like you might have figured that out by now.

[bjornln]

If you are just looking for polyAT, you can use (for example):
Synclavier
Prophet T-8
ASM Hydra
Waldorf iridium keyboard
or any other synth that has 49-key FATAR TP/8SK keyboard should have the ability to send PolyAT

It doesn't look like the Prophet T8 has polyAT.

Cool to see that the Iridium does, I didn't know that.

I think your statement about any synth with 49-key Fatar TP/8SK is untrue. It is possible that some keyboard manufacturer may have used that keybed and modified it for polyAT, but it doesn't come that way.

http://www.fatar.com/Pages/TP_8SK.htm

This is weird. My Synclavier VPK has the same keyboard as the prophet T8(as an synclavier add-on), and it has poly-AT. I have a friend that still uses his T8 as a master keyboard, just for the polyAT.
Stubbsonic, I looked at Fatar's homepage, and you are correct.
But..... As for the "49-key FATAR TP/8SK", it is what is, supposedly, in the iridium.
I may have been wrong in assuming that all "49-key FATAR TP/8SK" synths would have polyAT...
After some googling (ending up at gearspace)...
"I emailed with Fatar and they told me that the TP/8SK can mount both mono- and polyphonic aftertouch.
To be more precise:
TP/8S and TP/8SK are the same, except that only the TP/8SK can mount the polyphonic aftertouch.
"

/B

P.S
I was way off still.. it wasn't the 49-key version, it should be 61-key (don't know if i need glasses, or a few more fingers to count up to 61).
D.S

[stubbsonic]

This is weird. My Synclavier VPK has the same keyboard as the prophet T8(as an synclavier add-on), and it has poly-AT. I have a friend that still uses his T8 as a master keyboard, just for the polyAT.

I wonder if Fatar manufactures the polyphonic AT components or if that comes from elsewhere. Given how rare polyAT is, it seems like the latter is likely.

[bjornln]

I think we will see an upswing.. I mean with MIDI 2.0 and MPE and more and more expressive synths and sample libraries. I think there is a development in that direction.

I wonder if Fatar manufactures the polyphonic AT components or if that comes from elsewhere. Given how rare polyAT is, it seems like the latter is likely.

[stubbsonic]

When I think about ALL the features that were in MIDI 1.0 that were rarely implemented by manufacturers & software developers: Polyphonic AT, release velocity, 14-bit CC, 14-bit NRPN, etc. I'm not confident we'll see a lot of motion on MIDI 2.0 features. I sincerely hope to be proven wrong!!

There's a humble little iOS DAW called Multitrack Studio that is jumping right in with MIDI 2.0 implementation.

[jackvr]

Hello, I have Osmose, Mac OS 12.6.7. DP11. I am missing something on setup. I can get MIDI to work fine but MPE is not working or working badly. I am trying to use UVI solo instruments. Anyone seen a full top to bottom recipe for setup? I've using the External MIDI, set to MPE on the Osmose. DP has instrument track and mid track linked and it plays fine in MIDI but changing to MPE in the UVI setup it does not play. Meters still show action, and it records but no live sound. When it plays back it plays some of the notes. So somehow having a problem getting all the MPE MIDI channels to connect the right way. Have Multi Record on in DP. AudioMidi setup involved? Anyone have some clues? Sorry if I'm mission something obvious. I am pretty good with the tech, but have run up against the wall this time. Appreciate any help.