DP11.11 crash on open and bandwidth choking

[dix]

Well, well, well.

I updated to DP11.2 aaaaand....puh-roba-lem solved. My session opens fine every time.

BOY, did I waste a lot of time trying to troubleshoot that one.

Sigh.

Definitely not fixed here. I have a somehwhat complicated project, started in DP11.2, that now crashes on Open. I can open it if I launch in MIDI Only mode, as I described above, but now I have to disable the VIs before I start the MAS Audio Engine, and enable them one at a time to get the project open...where it remains rock-solid, never crashing, until I close it and reopen it.

I have not tried Loading it yet. If the issue continues after that. I'll create a TechLink

[larrytheo]

Bummer!

The troubleshooting technique I tried that helped (well, ONE of the troubleshooting techniques I tried) was to make a new sequence, use Load to load all of the sequences I considered essential from the original, then, when it crashed, I started deleting sequences from the new Load sequence until it was able to boot without crashing. My problem seemed to be caused by some asset(s) or another that DP thought were corrupted...or something.

But I was able to open my documents if I just kept trying. If yours won't open no matter how many times you try it - yikes!

Best of luck, and I'll keep watching for when you find something that works. Mine really seems fixed, thank Dog.

[James Steele]

Well, well, well.

I updated to DP11.2 aaaaand....puh-roba-lem solved. My session opens fine every time.

BOY, did I waste a lot of time trying to troubleshoot that one.

Sigh.

Been there, done that! I'm just glad things are going smoothly now.

[larrytheo]

Spoke too soon. The problem is reduced, but still occurs. At the moment, it won't open the session in question at all. It does open other sessions, so I'm really wondering if there is *something* that is in this session that is causing the problem, but I don't have anything especially exotic going on. Plugins are all from major developers and such.

Sigh.

[dix]

DP 11.22 seems a little worse for crash-on-open. Even relatively simple stereo projects often take a few tries to open, and seem more prone to random crashes. I used to go weeks without a crash, now I rarely go a day without one. It’s nice that MOTU is actively fixing bugs, but general stability doesn’t seem to be improving with these incremental updates.

[larrytheo]

Thanks for the warning. I hadn't upgraded yet. Didn't see MOTU at NAMM this year, but lots of folks weren't there.

[HCMarkus]

DP 11.22 seems a little worse for crash-on-open. Even relatively simple stereo projects often take a few tries to open, and seem more prone to random crashes. I used to go weeks without a crash, now I rarely go a day without one. It’s nice that MOTU is actively fixing bugs, but general stability doesn’t seem to be improving with these incremental updates.

Not my experience, but I haven't used video with this version as yet.

I've done 4 or 5 recording/mixing sessions, several lengthy, with DP11.22 without a single crash.

[James Steele]

Thanks for the warning. I hadn't upgraded yet. Didn't see MOTU at NAMM this year, but lots of folks weren't there.

Yeah, MOTU skipped it this year and last year, as did many companies as you pointed out. It will be back at the normal time of year in January 2024. I fully expect MOTU will be there again.

As for DP 11.22, it’s been working on pretty well for me. Perhaps the only inconvenience is the length of time to open a project which (unscientifically) feels longer than other DAWs.

[dix]

DP 11.22 seems a little worse for crash-on-open. Even relatively simple stereo projects often take a few tries to open, and seem more prone to random crashes. I used to go weeks without a crash, now I rarely go a day without one. It’s nice that MOTU is actively fixing bugs, but general stability doesn’t seem to be improving with these incremental updates.

Not my experience, but I haven't used video with this version as yet.

I've done 4 or 5 recording/mixing sessions, several lengthy, with DP11.22 without a single crash.

Video may be a crucial factor. I rarely work on projects that are not to picture. The crashed threads on crash-on-open crashes never point to anything video related, but the random crashes while projects are open often do. I've added this info to the TechNote I started a while back, but MOTU doesn't seem to be checking it anymore. They haven't responded anyway

[James Steele]

Video may be a crucial factor. I rarely work on projects that are not to picture. The crashed threads on crash-on-open crashes never point to anything video related, but the random crashes while projects are open often do. I've added this info to the TechNote I started a while back, but MOTU doesn't seem to be checking it anymore. They haven't responded anyway

Anything is possible. I think many of us know about the very bad "Mojave" bug that was in a version of DP 11 (pretty sure it was 11) where the GUI became excruciatingly slow. The only solution was to downgrade to High Sierra or upgrade to Catalina—either one is a bit of an ordeal. Maybe there's something residual that is resurfacing?

[dix]

I think many of us know about the very bad "Mojave" bug that was in a version of DP 11

I remember that ol' bug. Good times That bug was on the list of reasons justifying buying a new M1 Max. That bug went away entirely with the new machine. The crash on open thing seems newer and different but you never know. Could be a holdover.

[HCMarkus]

Video may be a crucial factor. I rarely work on projects that are not to picture. The crashed threads on crash-on-open crashes never point to anything video related, but the random crashes while projects are open often do. I've added this info to the TechNote I started a while back, but MOTU doesn't seem to be checking it anymore. They haven't responded anyway

Have you rebuilt your template since DP11 was released? I haven't, and am using a modified version of my old Mac Pro/Mojave/DP9 template, but have been considering it...

[dix]

Video may be a crucial factor. I rarely work on projects that are not to picture. The crashed threads on crash-on-open crashes never point to anything video related, but the random crashes while projects are open often do. I've added this info to the TechNote I started a while back, but MOTU doesn't seem to be checking it anymore. They haven't responded anyway

Have you rebuilt your template since DP11 was released? I haven't, and am using a modified version of my old Mac Pro/Mojave/DP9 template, but have been considering it...

Working on a very simple project using a rebuilt template, with no video involved for a change (so there goes those theories), and I'm getting crash on open repeatedly. The project does always open eventually, but it can take up to half a dozen tries. Anyone have any further ideas about crashes on open?

[James Steele]

Shot in the dark: do you have any UADx native plugs in the project? I’ve had issues with projects crashing on open when there are certain of those plugins in the project.

Actually, a lot of the time crash on poem can be traced to a particular plug in. In my experience this seems to be a DP issue. When I have tracked down a “problem AU,” as a test, I load an instance in a Logic Pro project and it won’t cause any instability in Logic.


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[dix]

No UADx plugins, but the bad plug-in theory is worth pursuing. Disabling tracks with and without plugins hasn’t worked, but maybe the plugins on the disabled tracks are still affecting things somehow? Thanks, James.