mikehalloran wrote: ↑Mon Oct 09, 2023 8:09 am
Calagan wrote: ↑Sun Oct 08, 2023 12:44 am
VitcoMusic wrote: ↑Fri Sep 22, 2023 10:21 am
Ever since I sent the MOTU audio driver to the trash, my Ultralite Mk 5 has been working beautifully in class compliant mode (Mac Studio Ultra/Monterey).
I'm leaving it alone.
Dan V.
Yep, I know that, but running the unit class compliant means much higher latency and not any DSP and routing possibility...
I mean, I bought a unit with some features/specs, not a class compliant unit that has no routing app and stupidly high latency...
(I need short latency because I use the unit on stage, with vocals and drum triggers : high latency is not an option, or I can use any entry level focusrite at half the price for that)
Do you have any numbers for that "stupidly high latency"?
On the M2/4/6, the difference between Core Audio and the drivers works out to moving your ears closer to or further from your monitor speakers 14" or so.
1- Latency is adding. Device latency, plugin latency, distance from the monitors, etc. After 10ms, latency start to be an issue for a keyboard player and can be felt as a lack of immediacy. You don't feel nothing between 1ms to 7-8ms : there's a bad feeling threshold with latency.
By the way, any latency (even 1ms) is a problem for a singer because of comb filtering that happens in the head. So direct monitoring is an absolute necessity when recording : tell me how to do that without Cue Mix (in class compliant mode) !
2- I don't have the precise numbers, but I remember when I tested it that class compliant mode was more or less the double latency compared to the Motu drivers. I did wrote the numbers for the M2 and I guess it's more or less the same with the Ultralite.
At 44kHz/128 samples, 6.9ms RTL (with Motu drivers) becomes 12ms or so (in class compliant mode) !
Add to this the latency of the plugins used (from few ms to 4-5ms depending on the Live set and plugins used) and you've got a latency of nearly 20ms that is unacceptable, especially when you use the device on stage !
Give someone an instrument with 20ms latency on stage !
20ms is 7 meters : did you ever played on stage without wedge monitors, only listening to the FOH ? Good luck with that.
3- I bought a device with some specific features. Among them, low latency and CueMix mixer (with DSP FX).
How is it acceptable to be obliged to use a device at 50% because some features don't work ?
How can you legitimate that ?
4- I just need low latency and CueMix. Please find a solution to my problem or don't comment.
I don't need judgemental comments on my use of audio interfaces.
By the way, the drivers 93305 fixed my issue. So I guess the issues were coming from MOTU software.
I don't think I will ever update again any MOTU drivers (especially when I read new issues with latest drivers on this forum).