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Re: Need High Sierra 10.13

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James Steele wrote: Sat Dec 18, 2021 1:05 pm The GPU I am using is an AMD Radeon 7950.
Thanks for the info, James. My main (mixing for DP and video editing) Mac has an AMD Radeon as well.

It's not fair to compare an NLE to a DAW in video respects, as NLEs are using the GPU more and more as developers evolve the products. Premiere has an option to use the CPU or GPU for rendering effects in real-time as the video plays. Some effects are written for GPU and some for both.

I was a little surprised to see somebody raving about Metal, due to my circumstance. I don't play video games, which generally benefit from advances in GPUs and their rendering architecture. When DP is playing, my GPU meter hardly registers. I surmise it's doing the GUI animation, and that for plug-in GUIs that display a spectral graph, etc.

It's possible that the Premiere coders just haven't figured out how to get max performance from Metal vs. OpenCL, and the weak link isn't Metal.
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Re: Need High Sierra 10.13

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Jim wrote: Sun Dec 19, 2021 8:58 am
James Steele wrote: Sat Dec 18, 2021 1:05 pm The GPU I am using is an AMD Radeon 7950.
It's not fair to compare an NLE to a DAW in video respects, as NLEs are using the GPU more and more as developers evolve the products. Premiere has an option to use the CPU or GPU for rendering effects in real-time as the video plays. Some effects are written for GPU and some for both.

I was a little surprised to see somebody raving about Metal, due to my circumstance. I don't play video games, which generally benefit from advances in GPUs and their rendering architecture. When DP is playing, my GPU meter hardly registers. I surmise it's doing the GUI animation, and that for plug-in GUIs that display a spectral graph, etc.

It's possible that the Premiere coders just haven't figured out how to get max performance from Metal vs. OpenCL, and the weak link isn't Metal.
Agreed. And I wasn't comparing DP to NLEs. Obviously the GUI for a DAW is not very demanding. I just was knocked out by how responsive DP feels when changing Window Sets. Nothing I said should be construed to mean better performance for NLEs. And as always... I'd expect the first place you'd see improvement would be an Apple product like Final Cut Pro X since Apple seems to have a head start on utilizing its newer technologies.
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Re: Need High Sierra 10.13

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James, I'm the perp that compared apples to oranges (NLE v. DAW). I didn't mean to imply that was you. I was just remarking about my experience with Apple Metal. i hardly give the GPU any thought working on a DAW or the audio functions in an NLE.

BTW, I've made several feature requests to Adobe to make their track mixer, with its send/bussing architecture more like DP's. They only recently implemented drag-copying and copy-pasting effects from one track insert to another, and the ability to save presets.

I did my last paying post production job on BlackMagicDesign Resolve, and was very pleased to learn that the Fairlight audio section was immediately familiar to me due to my familiarity with DP.
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Re: Need High Sierra 10.13

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Have any luck?

If not, try this site for downloading various Mac OS. I never had any problems with the downloaded OSX's.

https://www.downloadmacos.com/

Haven't needed them for a couple of years, so I hope they're still operating. I even donated to the cause because they saved me from having to upgrade from my 2009 MacPro 5,1. I'm running High Sierra 13.6 no problem with DP11.03.

Just be careful and don't click on any advertisers links while you work your way through the download!

Then, you can create a bootable USB drive with High Sierra installer. Follow this:

https://www.macworld.com/article/230242 ... drive.html
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That site's perfect for a dunce like me mate. Thank you!

I've wasted sooo much time over the years trying to find various versions of Mac OS and have frequently resorted to torrents, all of which worked perfectly FWIMBW. It's hit-and-miss as to whether you can find the OS you're looking for 'though... but not at the site you linked to. :headbang:

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Some inexpensive USB drives will not work as I found out. You can write to them but they do not boot. Bought some at Best Buy then had to return them over this. OTOH, you can use any size as long as it’s larger than the minimum. Just know that it will be erased during the process.

I keep all of these archived including a few that cannot be found on download sites such as OS 10.6.3 for restoring 2010-11 iMacs and 10.13.3 for those using external GPU (disabled in 10.13.4–6, restored in Mojave).
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Right and thanks Mike.

Yes, I used good 16 gig USB sticks and all went well.
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Great thread. It took me a few years to find the right link to upgrade an old MacPro to High Sierra when the App Store was not helpful. The upgrade was smoother than silk. Thumbs up to all the helpers/advisors. :headbang:
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Hi AntFarm1,
The link for downloading OS 10.13 (High Sierra) above is no longer working. Do you have another link handy?
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Re: Need High Sierra 10.13

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TnMike wrote: Sun Apr 24, 2022 1:25 pm Hi AntFarm1,
The link for downloading OS 10.13 (High Sierra) above is no longer working. Do you have another link handy?
Thanks,
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This page has download links for many discontinued MacOS.
https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT211683

Click on the one you want and an App Store page will open that you will not find by searching the App Store (really, Apple?). Click on Get, go through a couple of qualifiers and the download should begin. When done, you will find it in your Applications folder as Install MacOS…

If you get an error, the normal cause is that you have a MacOS installer on your System drive anywhere—you must remove that and reboot first. Zipping it, then trashing the original before rebooting works.

If you are using any kind of eGPU including DisplayLink or any app that enabled iPads etc. to function as monitors, the version of High Sierra 10.13.6 in the App Store will disable those. You will need the 10.13.3 installer—PM me for that.
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mikehalloran wrote: Sun Apr 24, 2022 1:42 pm This page has download links for many discontinued MacOS.
https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT211683
Ha! I could've used this last week. Bookmarked now. Thanks!
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