Cakewalk/SONAR lives?

The forum for petitions, theoretical discussion, gripes, or other off topic discussion.

Moderator: James Steele

Forum rules
The forum for petitions, theoretical discussion, gripes, or other matters outside deemed outside the scope of helping users make optimal use of MOTU hardware and software. Posts in other forums may be moved here at the moderators discretion. No politics or religion!!
User avatar
James Steele
Site Administrator
Posts: 22225
Joined: Fri Oct 15, 2004 10:01 pm
Primary DAW OS: MacOS
Location: San Diego, CA - U.S.A.
Contact:

Cakewalk/SONAR lives?

Post by James Steele »

Looks like Cakewalk was acquired by a Singapore-based company that may keep the DAW alive.

https://www.prosoundnetwork.com/busines ... son-brands
JamesSteeleProject.com | Facebook | Instagram | Twitter

Mac Studio M1 Max, 64GB/2TB, MacOS Sonoma 14.7.1, DP 11.33, MOTU 828es, MOTU 24Ai, MOTU MIDI Express XT, UAD-2 TB3 Satellite OCTO, Console 1 Mk2, Avid S3, NI Komplete Kontrol S88 Mk2, Red Type B, Millennia HV-3C, Warm Audio WA-2A, AudioScape 76F, Dean guitars, Marshall amps, etc., etc.!
User avatar
Michael Canavan
Posts: 3709
Joined: Fri Jul 15, 2005 10:01 pm
Primary DAW OS: MacOS
Location: seattle

Re: Cakewalk/SONAR lives?

Post by Michael Canavan »

Good to hear I guess, hopefully MOTU snagged up the local Mass. area developers! :P

Wondered why Microsoft didn't step up? They've always done things in such a bass akwards way though, they recently worked with Bitwig on touch screen support, put in serious time, but Cakewalk who helped them come up with the Windows only DXi if I recall, got no love...
M2 Studio Ultra, RME Babyface FS, Slate Raven Mti2, NI SL88 MKII, Linnstrument, MPC Live II, Launchpad MK3. Hundreds of plug ins.
User avatar
mhschmieder
Posts: 11332
Joined: Wed Jul 06, 2005 10:01 pm
Primary DAW OS: MacOS
Location: Annandale VA

Re: Cakewalk/SONAR lives?

Post by mhschmieder »

There still hasn't been much clarification since that story broke a week ago.

It looks unlikely though, that anything but SONAR (the one Cakewalk product I don't own) will make the cut.

Also, the new owner has been focused on phone apps, so it's unclear whether they will use SONAR assets to dramatically enhance and improve what they have, or break into the desktop market.
iMac 27" 2017 Quad-Core Intel i5 (3.8 GHz, 64 GB), OSX 13.6.6, MOTU DP 11.33, SpectraLayers 11
RME Babyface Pro FS, Radial JDV Mk5, Hammond XK-4, Moog Voyager

Eugenio Upright, 60th Anniversary P-Bass, USA Geddy Lee J-Bass, Yamaha BBP35
Select Strat, 70th Anniversary Esquire, Johhny Marr Jaguar, 57 LP, Danelectro 12
Eastman T486RB, T64/V, Ibanez PM2, D'angelico Deluxe SS Bari, EXL1
Guild Bari, 1512 12-string, M20, Martin OM28VTS, Larivee 0040MH
User avatar
cuttime
Posts: 4426
Joined: Sun May 15, 2005 10:01 pm
Primary DAW OS: MacOS

Re: Cakewalk/SONAR lives?

Post by cuttime »

828x MacOS 14.7.1 M1 Studio Max 1TB 64G DP11.32
User avatar
bayswater
Posts: 12291
Joined: Fri Feb 16, 2007 9:06 pm
Primary DAW OS: MacOS
Location: Vancouver

Re: Cakewalk/SONAR lives?

Post by bayswater »

Who are these guys and what are they up to?
Would anyone who is serious about this stuff depend on a free DAW?
I hope this isn't writing on the wall about the DAW business in general.
2018 Mini i7 32G macOS 12.6, DP 11.32, Mixbus 10, Logic 10.7, Scarlett 18i8, MB Air, macOS 14.6.1, DP 11.32, Logic 11
User avatar
James Steele
Site Administrator
Posts: 22225
Joined: Fri Oct 15, 2004 10:01 pm
Primary DAW OS: MacOS
Location: San Diego, CA - U.S.A.
Contact:

Re: Cakewalk/SONAR lives?

Post by James Steele »

I hope not either. I read that they unbundled some of the stuff that came with the paid version. I'll never forget that before Gibson killed Studio Vision Pro they put it on fire sale for $39 or something.
JamesSteeleProject.com | Facebook | Instagram | Twitter

Mac Studio M1 Max, 64GB/2TB, MacOS Sonoma 14.7.1, DP 11.33, MOTU 828es, MOTU 24Ai, MOTU MIDI Express XT, UAD-2 TB3 Satellite OCTO, Console 1 Mk2, Avid S3, NI Komplete Kontrol S88 Mk2, Red Type B, Millennia HV-3C, Warm Audio WA-2A, AudioScape 76F, Dean guitars, Marshall amps, etc., etc.!
User avatar
gseibert
Posts: 114
Joined: Mon Oct 18, 2004 10:01 pm
Primary DAW OS: MacOS
Location: Louisville,KY USA
Contact:

Re: Cakewalk/SONAR lives?

Post by gseibert »

Looks like James had the right idea. BandLab is making the Windows version free. Keyboard has an article up.
https://www.keyboardmag.com/gear/sonar- ... b-and-free
2020 iMac 10 core 32 g ram, Catalina, DP11.04, UA Apollo X4, MTP/av usb, Komplete Ultimate 13,Albion One, BBCSO Core, TX81Z, SPX90, Digitech Studio Quad v2, Tascam DA20 mkII, Alesis ADAT, Roland s750, Mackie line mixer, Korg Z1, Roland A80, DX7, Kurzweil K2500X, Kurzweil K2000R, Kurzweil PC3, Korg 168rc Event 20/20 bas, Mini-Moog, EMS Synthi aks
User avatar
stubbsonic
Posts: 4927
Joined: Fri Dec 22, 2006 12:56 pm
Primary DAW OS: MacOS
Contact:

Re: Cakewalk/SONAR lives?

Post by stubbsonic »

Perhaps BandLab is using SONAR (now "Cakewalk by BandLab") to attract users to their collaborative services.

On one hand, having capable DAW software that allows users to create and share in a common platform makes sense-- especially for younger artists who aren't mentally hardwired to a particular DAW. :unicorn:

On the other hand, time will tell if this project gains confidence of a large group of users. In any case, I hope the BandLab sign-up isn't too invasive. It would feel weird (to me) to entrust that service with creative work.

As an aside, is it just me that gets the major creeps from Dropbox? I use it, but I don't really trust it.
M1 MBP; OS 14.5, FF800, DP 11.3, Kontakt 7, Reaktor 6, PC3K7, K2661, iPad6, Godin XTSA, Two Ibanez 5 string basses (1 fretted, 1 fretless), FM3, SY-1000, ...

http://www.jonstubbsmusic.com
User avatar
cuttime
Posts: 4426
Joined: Sun May 15, 2005 10:01 pm
Primary DAW OS: MacOS

Re: Cakewalk/SONAR lives?

Post by cuttime »

stubbsonic wrote: As an aside, is it just me that gets the major creeps from Dropbox? I use it, but I don't really trust it.
I use it too, but don't trust it any more than any other cloud services. Why should I? At least it's a paid service that isn't targeting me with ads from the highest bidder.
828x MacOS 14.7.1 M1 Studio Max 1TB 64G DP11.32
User avatar
bayswater
Posts: 12291
Joined: Fri Feb 16, 2007 9:06 pm
Primary DAW OS: MacOS
Location: Vancouver

Re: Cakewalk/SONAR lives?

Post by bayswater »

Things just keep getting more vague. The new MacPro won't be out this year (as per CNET). And Apple is likely to move to new chips. Again. Not sure about going through that again. But is Windows and alternative? Not if free DAWs are sucking all the investment out of their development.
2018 Mini i7 32G macOS 12.6, DP 11.32, Mixbus 10, Logic 10.7, Scarlett 18i8, MB Air, macOS 14.6.1, DP 11.32, Logic 11
User avatar
Gravity Jim
Posts: 2006
Joined: Wed Apr 30, 2008 2:55 am
Primary DAW OS: MacOS
Location: Santa Rosa, CA

Re: Cakewalk/SONAR lives?

Post by Gravity Jim »

For the last time, Gibson DID NOT "kill" Studio Vision.

Opcode was a train wreck teetering over the edge of the Trestle To Hell when Gibson (only recently saved from extinction itself but Henry J. and his merry band of bankers) bought it and infused it with a huge shot of cash they thought would give the company time to recover.

They were wrong. Despite their best efforts, Gibson couldn't save Opcode.

Saying Gibson killed Opcode is like saying that a skilled surgeon killed the now-dead patient admitted through the ER with multiple cranial and thoracic injuries and a 80% blood loss.
Jim Bordner

MacPro 5,1 (3.33Ghz 12-core), 32g RAM, OS X 10.14.6 • MOTU DP 10.11 • Logic Pro X 10.2.5 • Waves Platinum, UAD-2, Slate Digital, Komplete, Omnisphere 2, LASS, CineSamples, Chipsounds, V Collection 5[color]
User avatar
James Steele
Site Administrator
Posts: 22225
Joined: Fri Oct 15, 2004 10:01 pm
Primary DAW OS: MacOS
Location: San Diego, CA - U.S.A.
Contact:

Re: Cakewalk/SONAR lives?

Post by James Steele »

Gravity Jim wrote:For the last time, Gibson DID NOT "kill" Studio Vision.

Opcode was a train wreck teetering over the edge of the Trestle To Hell when Gibson (only recently saved from extinction itself but Henry J. and his merry band of bankers) bought it and infused it with a huge shot of cash they thought would give the company time to recover.

They were wrong. Despite their best efforts, Gibson couldn't save Opcode.

Saying Gibson killed Opcode is like saying that a skilled surgeon killed the now-dead patient admitted through the ER with multiple cranial and thoracic injuries and a 80% blood loss.
To quote the comedian, Steven Martin: "Well, excuuuuuuse me!"

I was there... I admittedly don't know the backstory. All I know is that Gibson bought Opcode and shortly thereafter Studio Vision Pro was no more. Or do I have that wrong? I knew nothing about the inside baseball "what was going to happen"... I just remember what happened.
JamesSteeleProject.com | Facebook | Instagram | Twitter

Mac Studio M1 Max, 64GB/2TB, MacOS Sonoma 14.7.1, DP 11.33, MOTU 828es, MOTU 24Ai, MOTU MIDI Express XT, UAD-2 TB3 Satellite OCTO, Console 1 Mk2, Avid S3, NI Komplete Kontrol S88 Mk2, Red Type B, Millennia HV-3C, Warm Audio WA-2A, AudioScape 76F, Dean guitars, Marshall amps, etc., etc.!
User avatar
stubbsonic
Posts: 4927
Joined: Fri Dec 22, 2006 12:56 pm
Primary DAW OS: MacOS
Contact:

Re: Cakewalk/SONAR lives?

Post by stubbsonic »

These are 3rd-hand reports on "Cakewalk from BandLab", so perhaps someone can verify...

First thing I read was that it won't install on Linux. (Was there a Linux version of the original?)

The second thing was that there were scattered reports of this version messing up previously working installations of the original software.

And the third thing was that someone said this new license is only good through Oct 2018.

Again, I'm repeating something I read on another forum. Apply appropriate skepticism.
M1 MBP; OS 14.5, FF800, DP 11.3, Kontakt 7, Reaktor 6, PC3K7, K2661, iPad6, Godin XTSA, Two Ibanez 5 string basses (1 fretted, 1 fretless), FM3, SY-1000, ...

http://www.jonstubbsmusic.com
User avatar
bayswater
Posts: 12291
Joined: Fri Feb 16, 2007 9:06 pm
Primary DAW OS: MacOS
Location: Vancouver

Re: Cakewalk/SONAR lives?

Post by bayswater »

stubbsonic wrote:These are 3rd-hand reports on "Cakewalk from BandLab", so perhaps someone can verify...

First thing I read was that it won't install on Linux. (Was there a Linux version of the original?)

The second thing was that there were scattered reports of this version messing up previously working installations of the original software.

And the third thing was that someone said this new license is only good through Oct 2018.

Again, I'm repeating something I read on another forum. Apply appropriate skepticism.
I've read a few threads on this, and AFAIK, it was always Windows only, and has worked fine for several people who already had it installed. Don't know about the temporary licence.

It's going to rain for three days non stop here, so I might dig out the old test PC from under the stairs and see if I can get it to run.

What I found odd is the relative lack of interest in the places you would usually find a lot of discussion on such things.
2018 Mini i7 32G macOS 12.6, DP 11.32, Mixbus 10, Logic 10.7, Scarlett 18i8, MB Air, macOS 14.6.1, DP 11.32, Logic 11
frankf
Posts: 1133
Joined: Tue Oct 19, 2004 10:01 pm
Primary DAW OS: MacOS
Location: NYC
Contact:

Re: Cakewalk/SONAR lives?

Post by frankf »

James Steele wrote:
Gravity Jim wrote:For the last time, Gibson DID NOT "kill" Studio Vision.

Opcode was a train wreck teetering over the edge of the Trestle To Hell when Gibson (only recently saved from extinction itself but Henry J. and his merry band of bankers) bought it and infused it with a huge shot of cash they thought would give the company time to recover.

They were wrong. Despite their best efforts, Gibson couldn't save Opcode.

Saying Gibson killed Opcode is like saying that a skilled surgeon killed the now-dead patient admitted through the ER with multiple cranial and thoracic injuries and a 80% blood loss.
To quote the comedian, Steven Martin: "Well, excuuuuuuse me!"

I was there... I admittedly don't know the backstory. All I know is that Gibson bought Opcode and shortly thereafter Studio Vision Pro was no more. Or do I have that wrong? I knew nothing about the inside baseball "what was going to happen"... I just remember what happened.
That’s how I saw it too. But it didn’t matter really. I moved to DP, I think rev 2.7, to which Motu made some changes that attracted me and which made the switch a no brainer and here I be.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro
Frank Ferrucci
http://www.ferruccimusic.com
Mac Pro 6,1 64gb RAM DP9.52 OSX 10.12.6 MIO 2882d & ULN2d Firewire Audio Interfaces, MOTU MTP-AV USB
Post Reply