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HCMarkus wrote:I just ran my first session today under macOS 10.12 and DP 9.12, having moved from 8.5 and DP 8.07 yesterday.

Although everything worked out OK, I noticed some artifacts while working with VIs that I have never before encountered, and an attempt at an MP3 import was unsuccessful. Another issue I noticed was the response of my Magic Mouse; it seemed erratic and overly responsive to scrolling when altering parameters in the Event Editor and other areas of DP. I have a Magic Mouse 2 which I will try; we'll see if it behaves better.

I certainly enjoyed the much improved VI response. Testing continues.

Artifacts? Yeah noticed a little magic mouse stuff on pitch. Seems like that should be an easy fix. Do you guys think it is a DP or Sierra issue. If anyone here's from MOTU tech on this please post.

waxman wrote: Seems like that should be an easy fix. Do you guys think it is a DP or Sierra issue. If anyone here's from MOTU tech on this please post.

I'm seeing this in Sierra with apps that require precise positioning of pointers. TurboCad for example. OS X often either doesn't know or doesn't show the correct position of the mouse pointer.

I was able to bring scrolling under control using the Accessibility System Preference. Under Mouse Options, I set Scrolling to its slowest setting, leaving Inertia on.

Pointer inaccuracy is another matter; we'll see if Apple addresses it.

HCMarkus wrote:I was able to bring scrolling under control using the Accessibility System Preference. Under Mouse Options, I set Scrolling to its slowest setting, leaving Inertia on.

Pointer inaccuracy is another matter; we'll see if Apple addresses it.

Thanks for the Accessibility thing. I'll see if that helps.

Robert Randolph wrote:Don't worry JSmith1234567, you're not alone.

There's quite a few users that can not run 9.12 correctly and find that 9.02 works excellent on the same system with the same configuration.

I am at 9.02 and when I mix, I have to go all the way back to 8.07 because in all versions of 9, automation starts failing when there is a a lot of it.

From EVERYthing I've read about 9.12, and
including my own experience, I think the
main gripes seem to center on VI and plugin
compatability.

Yes there are plugins and VI's that dont work
well with 9.12. For me it was Melodyne 4
Editor. With its GUI open, the wiper would
continue to scroll up to eight bars after playback
had stopped. It would constantly misinterpret
melodic audio as percussive. Re-analyzing
would cause it to crash DP. Audio to MIDI export
did not work at all.

A new version of Melodyne 4 editor just came out,
it may address the problems mentioned. I had to
go back to 9.02 but Waxman's reports on 9.12
and Sierra have me feeling brave again.

David Polich wrote:From EVERYthing I've read about 9.12, and
including my own experience, I think the
main gripes seem to center on VI and plugin
compatability.

Yes there are plugins and VI's that dont work
well with 9.12. For me it was Melodyne 4
Editor. With its GUI open, the wiper would
continue to scroll up to eight bars after playback
had stopped. It would constantly misinterpret
melodic audio as percussive. Re-analyzing
would cause it to crash DP. Audio to MIDI export
did not work at all.

A new version of Melodyne 4 editor just came out,
it may address the problems mentioned. I had to
go back to 9.02 but Waxman's reports on 9.12
and Sierra have me feeling brave again.

But doesn't it make you a bit “nervous” that Dp "working correctly" will be dependent on 3rd party plugs changing their coding? I do hope it all works out. As for now, I am parked and anticipate a long roadside nap.

Just as an FYI, Melodyne's update was definitely non-trivial, and fixed its working correctly in Samplitude Pro X3 (which bundles Melodyne 4 Essentials). The ARA fixes were big ones.

The old version of Melodyne 4 messed up my Bundles in DP taking it down (using "Delete Unused" in the Instruments tab returned things to working again.)

I am not a big Melodyne user, but as Cakewalk Sonar Platinum and then Samplitude both included it with their installations, there it was to mess with DP! I would not be surprised if this update did not cure all those problems I had encountered in DP, though.

Terry

Gravity Jim wrote:If you can't run 9.12, then your Mac is screwed up.

Frankly, the amount of mistaken abuse that gets heaped on MOTU on this forum ("my computer got all screwed up with freebies and third party I/O drivers and dumb hacks for making ancient plug-ins run, and now DP doesn't work right and IT'S THEIR FAULT") gets severely tiresome.

Nobody ever comes back and says, "oh, I figured it out and it was operator error but it's ok now," but the "EVERYTHING ABOUT DP X.XX SUX" threads live forever.

Come on man, this is just a ridiculous statement. DP 9.12 has HUGE issues with track buffering, dropouts while editing, all sorts of errors when bouncing to disk, and it has nothing to do someone's mac being screwed up. The changes to the Pre-Gen system and now the inability to universally disable it are bad enough that a LOT of us have to stay back at 9.02 where these issues didn't exist. I'm not losing anymore time chasing down bugs and glitches I didn't create because my Mac is "screwed up". This smacks of fan boy talk and not someone who is willing to actually deal with issues in a factual manner. We're all better than that.

I'm now having and issue where the trackpad can easily make moves in DP's pitch editing, but mouse clicks are treated as though they just didn't happen. Weird. Scratch that... what's happening with the mouse is it's selecting the pitch line when clicking and not the pitch box. Hmmmm. Wonder what that's about.

UPDATE: Duh. It's Smart Selections. I never have that on, but somehow it was. Carry on.

amplidood wrote:I'm now having and issue where the trackpad can easily make moves in DP's pitch editing, but mouse clicks are treated as though they just didn't happen. Weird. Scratch that... what's happening with the mouse is it's selecting the pitch line when clicking and not the pitch box. Hmmmm. Wonder what that's about.

UPDATE: It's Smart Selections. I never have that on, but somehow it was. Carry on.

Thanks for sharing Mr. Dood... I'm gonna' take a look at my settings, 'cause I was having a hard time with pitch edits, too!

In 9.12, out of nowhere, every other day, the Motu audio engine goes bye-bye. Have to visit hardware setup and 'wake it up'. Weird.

I love the lower latency, but in my book there are certainly a bunch of issues that need addressed to make it back up to earlier versions stability wise.

amplidood wrote:

Gravity Jim wrote:If you can't run 9.12, then your Mac is screwed up.

Frankly, the amount of mistaken abuse that gets heaped on MOTU on this forum ("my computer got all screwed up with freebies and third party I/O drivers and dumb hacks for making ancient plug-ins run, and now DP doesn't work right and IT'S THEIR FAULT") gets severely tiresome.

Nobody ever comes back and says, "oh, I figured it out and it was operator error but it's ok now," but the "EVERYTHING ABOUT DP X.XX SUX" threads live forever.

Come on man, this is just a ridiculous statement. DP 9.12 has HUGE issues with track buffering, dropouts while editing, all sorts of errors when bouncing to disk, and it has nothing to do someone's mac being screwed up. The changes to the Pre-Gen system and now the inability to universally disable it are bad enough that a LOT of us have to stay back at 9.02 where these issues didn't exist. I'm not losing anymore time chasing down bugs and glitches I didn't create because my Mac is "screwed up". This smacks of fan boy talk and not someone who is willing to actually deal with issues in a factual manner. We're all better than that.

I SECOND THAT!

JSmith1234567 wrote:

amplidood wrote:

Gravity Jim wrote:If you can't run 9.12, then your Mac is screwed up.

Frankly, the amount of mistaken abuse that gets heaped on MOTU on this forum ("my computer got all screwed up with freebies and third party I/O drivers and dumb hacks for making ancient plug-ins run, and now DP doesn't work right and IT'S THEIR FAULT") gets severely tiresome.

Nobody ever comes back and says, "oh, I figured it out and it was operator error but it's ok now," but the "EVERYTHING ABOUT DP X.XX SUX" threads live forever.

Come on man, this is just a ridiculous statement. DP 9.12 has HUGE issues with track buffering, dropouts while editing, all sorts of errors when bouncing to disk, and it has nothing to do someone's mac being screwed up. The changes to the Pre-Gen system and now the inability to universally disable it are bad enough that a LOT of us have to stay back at 9.02 where these issues didn't exist. I'm not losing anymore time chasing down bugs and glitches I didn't create because my Mac is "screwed up". This smacks of fan boy talk and not someone who is willing to actually deal with issues in a factual manner. We're all better than that.

I SECOND THAT!

It would be nice to have actual statistics as to how many people here have stayed back due to 9.12 and its issues. According to Jim, we all have effed up systems and MOTU is fine. I dont see it that way at all. I have seen these issues, (without statistical data of course), but I have seen many with issues. I would remind Jim that each user stresses their system differently and that it is very possible Jim uses his system in a way that doesn’t hit the rough spots in 9.12. I have read past posts by Jim and know for sure he doesn’t tax his system anywhere near to the degree I do, nor does he use DP the way I do.
If it works for Jim, great. But to make a blanket statement that DP is fine and we are all screwed up, would at least technically necessitate Jim using his system in every way we, as users with problem, do. He does not use his system like all other users do and therefore His argument is technically invalid.

Because of this incredible forum and members, I chose to stay with my current DP 9.01 as I have active projects and can't risk the potential downtime or troubleshooting. 9.02 is probably safe, but "If it ain't broke...".

But, looking forward to the 9.12 enhancements when it's maybe 9.13 or 9.14, or whatever and when I see glowing reviews.

I do have around 20 different plugin or VI manufacturers that I use in my normal workflow and I know it's a 3 way street...OSX, DP and 3rd party compatibility. Make that 4 way...my 4,1 Quad Core.

Buzzy


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