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I'm running CS6 under Sierra. Had to do what Mike said.

On Excel: the only thing I found completely impossible in Numbers is Pivot Tables. But you can do those and other Excel things with Libre Office Vanilla, free at the App Store, and with less of a learning curve. It's not quite as elegant, but leaves you Microsoft free.

Shooshie wrote:The reason I do not move past El Capitan is broken software. It is my understanding that Photoshop and Illustrator (CS6) will cease to work when I do.
Shooshie

Java as previously recommended
https://support.apple.com/kb/DL1572?locale=en_US

The CS6 Design Suite is working on a 2010 MBP with macOS 10.12.6.

I tested an installation of CS6 on an external drive running Yosemite booted from a 2012 Mini with 10.12.6. CS6 will be available well into the future between the Mini and the MBP.

Here's a useful resource on the various versions of the Adobe CS.
https://blog.conradchavez.com/2016/06/1 ... #more-5141

bayswater wrote:On Excel: the only thing I found completely impossible in Numbers is Pivot Tables. But you can do those and other Excel things with Libre Office Vanilla, free at the App Store, and with less of a learning curve. It's not quite as elegant, but leaves you Microsoft free.

I've had LibreOffice for a few years now but being "Microsoft free" is a non-starter if your corporate standards are Word and Excel.

mikehalloran wrote:

bayswater wrote:On Excel: the only thing I found completely impossible in Numbers is Pivot Tables. But you can do those and other Excel things with Libre Office Vanilla, free at the App Store, and with less of a learning curve. It's not quite as elegant, but leaves you Microsoft free.

I've had LibreOffice for a few years now but being "Microsoft free" is a non-starter if your corporate standards are Word and Excel.

The message was primarily directed to Shooshie. He clearly has standards, but MS is probably not one of them.
(Aside: to really get up IT's nose, point out that the word "standard" implies some level of quality.)

bayswater wrote: The message was primarily directed to Shooshie. He clearly has standards, but MS is probably not one of them.
(Aside: to really get up IT's nose, point out that the word "standard" implies some level of quality.)

Since Office 2011 is fine in Sierra, his standards may remain low.

In my case, my wife doesn't really need to go to High Sierra (yet? ever?). So, if 2008 won't work in 10.13, I can put off teaching her a later version of Office, possibly forever??? A lot of wishful thinking in that last statement.

mikehalloran wrote:So, if 2008 won't work in 10.13, I can put off teaching her a later version of Office, possibly forever??? A lot of wishful thinking in that last statement.

Office is a distant memory for me. Even my last three years working in a telecom using MS (except people who had to do creative work -- they had Macs), I was able to get hold of passwords to connect my own Mac to the network, and do what I had to do with iWork, Mail and iCal, with LibreOffice as a backup just in case. Now and then I wonder whether it could have been as bad as I recall, but I've never had to find out.

Lucky you.

My spouse is in MS Hell. Most of her students use some ancient form of Word but it's usually worse when she gets assignments from UC. Her professors rarely know the ancient web tools embedded in some of her assignments wanting to make connections to servers that disappeared with NT — of course, they have no idea how to disable that nonsense and tell students to just deal with it.

I wish I could bill Berkeley for tech support. Grrrr

Never an issue with docs that she gets from Macs. None of those users ever figured out how to set up that garbage in the first place. A simple plugin allows old versions of Word to read .docx and it's still on the MS web site.

mikehalloran wrote:Lucky you.

My spouse is in MS Hell. Most of her students use some ancient form of Word but it's usually worse when she gets assignments from UC. Her professors rarely know the ancient web tools embedded in some of her assignments wanting to make connections to servers that disappeared with NT — of course, they have no idea how to disable that nonsense and tell students to just deal with it.

I wish I could bill Berkeley for tech support. Grrrr

Never an issue with docs that she gets from Macs. None of those users ever figured out how to set up that garbage in the first place. A simple plugin allows old versions of Word to read .docx and it's still on the MS web site.

Sounds similar to problems at the UN. My daughter was given a Mac for work there, but all the back end admin systems she has to use to access forms and templates seem to be ancient Windows based stuff, or it might be SAP. I'm usually able figure out how to access thing from here, but there doesn't seem to be any consistent approach that works.

mikehalloran wrote:A large contributor to the spinning beach ball is App Nap. Unless you are on a portable and battery life is an issue, App Nap serves no purpose. DP is one of many apps affected by this. Copy the following and paste into Terminal:

defaults write NSGlobalDomain NSAppSleepDisabled -bool YES

Here's a good article on this:
http://osxdaily.com/2014/05/13/disable- ... -mac-os-x/

Thanks Mike. Maybe I'll muster up the courage to give it a go. Part of it is finding the TIME!

Shoosh

bayswater wrote:On Excel: the only thing I found completely impossible in Numbers is Pivot Tables. But you can do those and other Excel things with Libre Office Vanilla, free at the App Store, and with less of a learning curve. It's not quite as elegant, but leaves you Microsoft free.

Some of my databases are integrated with the Finder, opening folders and/or displaying pictures. Numbers doesn't do that. I think there's actually quite a bit that Numbers does not do, unless they've come a long way in the past couple of years. Formatting, data displays, choosing the sort field in a database, all work differently or not at all (again, unless it's a recent upgrade that fixed it).

If I could switch to Numbers, I would. Believe me!

I don't know about the other one. I fear getting left high and dry someday. I'm in these things for the long haul. Been using Excel for about 30 years, and I've got spreadsheets and databases that old. I think my "multiple mortgage table," which I developed over many years, is from about 1986. Anyway, you look ahead and don't realize that you're going to be using this thing for 30 or 40 years, but when you look at it like that, Apple and Microsoft are the only choices, and Apple is flaky.

Shoosh

Shooshie wrote:

bayswater wrote:On Excel: the only thing I found completely impossible in Numbers is Pivot Tables. But you can do those and other Excel things with Libre Office Vanilla, free at the App Store, and with less of a learning curve. It's not quite as elegant, but leaves you Microsoft free.

Some of my databases are integrated with the Finder, opening folders and/or displaying pictures. Numbers doesn't do that. I think there's actually quite a bit that Numbers does not do, unless they've come a long way in the past couple of years. Formatting, data displays, choosing the sort field in a database, all work differently or not at all (again, unless it's a recent upgrade that fixed it).

If I could switch to Numbers, I would. Believe me!

I don't know about the other one. I fear getting left high and dry someday. I'm in these things for the long haul. Been using Excel for about 30 years, and I've got spreadsheets and databases that old. I think my "multiple mortgage table," which I developed over many years, is from about 1986. Anyway, you look ahead and don't realize that you're going to be using this thing for 30 or 40 years, but when you look at it like that, Apple and Microsoft are the only choices, and Apple is flaky.

Shoosh

I expect you could do database looks ups with a "localhost" reference, but that would involve rebuilding the whole thing from scratch. On formats and sorting, it all works in Numbers but differently, and IMO, better, once you figure it out.

The one thing I really miss from Excel is the all the stuff you can do quickly without a mouse. In Numbers it's difficult to get very far without switching back and forth between keyboard and mouse.

GoogleDocs lets you import and export to Excel. I use it daily for that.

Its functionality leaves a few things to be desired, however, especially its ability to search.

Upgrade to Sierra, you'll be fine with Office 2011 as long as you disable App Nap.

The jury is out on what will and won't work in OS 10.13 so don't go there till results are in.