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Re: Video unusable in DP8 on my system

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MIDI Life Crisis wrote:OK, THAT is not what I'm seeing as QT are running fine. Shall I'll shoot you a QT and see if you can use it? It's a sexy lady QT... :)
Nah. I have lots of different videos around coming from separate sources. They all act the same. But thanks for the offer!
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MIDI Life Crisis wrote: NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GT
I have the same video card. How is movies in DP8 working for you, MLC?
How about you FL? Are you experiencing any of the sluggishness I describe? …i guess i could consider getting a different graphics card if that turned out to be the problem.

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Re: Video unusable in DP8 on my system

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DP8 is extremely sluggish, it hasn't even made it across the Atlantic yet! Talk about slow software! ;)

(I don't have DP8 yet, I'm totally broke and am just trying to find out if I should spend my very last money DP8. If it seems like an improvement for my needs then I'll do it. If not, maybe shoes with no holes in them is better use of the money as winter is coming fast here in Sweden)
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I'd go for the shoes, and dance my warm, happy feet to DP8.1 when it arrives.
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Re: Video unusable in DP8 on my system

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Ha! Yes, go for the shoes. This is a good one to sit out. It may be awhile before DP8 approaches the stability and usability of 7.24. I sort of like the troubleshooting and problem-solving - you too m'be? At this point that's really the only thing you're missing.
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Re: Video unusable in DP8 on my system

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Well, I'm at the point where DP7 is almost unusable. Getting processor spikes if I lower buffer too much. Can barely work at 256 samples.
Songwriting has become more a fight against technology instead of trying to get ideas down.
I was hoping 64bit DP8 (along with the coming Play 4) was gonna smooth that just enough to make it workable until I can afford SSD drive and/or VEP. Or much more in the future, a new Mac.
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Re: Video unusable in DP8 on my system

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Hmm. Then you definitely should wait. When I need to work above 256 samples I record via Direct Hardware Playthrough, which apparently is not working in DP8. You can only record through effects - which makes recording at higher buffers extremely difficult. Hopefully .1 will at least re-enable Direct Playthrough.
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I need the lower buffer mainly for VIs. It's only VIs that are giving me issues in DP7. If I record/mix audio only everything is hunky dory. Well, it doesn't all sound like Hunky Dory but I have no processor spikes and no need to use buffers lower than 512.
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FutureLegends wrote:I was hoping 64bit DP8 (along with the coming Play 4) was gonna smooth that just enough to make it workable until I can afford SSD drive and/or VEP. Or much more in the future, a new Mac.
I'm sure it's been widely discussed, but I'm curious. Would you use the SSD for your OS or your project-drive?
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Re: Video unusable in DP8 on my system

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I have only run QT movies so far and they work fine (so far) knock on wood. Geforce 8800 GT and ATI HD 5770.

I upgraded from Adobe CS3 Production Suite to CS6 at the same time as DP8. I have been going crazy with all this new software. CS6 is assume, with the Mercury engine it is way faster and more snappy than CS3. (I got to use the snappy word) I am loving the new features in Photo shop, AE and PR. The interfaces have been updated and are better. 3D is now 3D not 2.5. Lots of cool stuff and so far real solid. Today I am going to try to set DP8 up as the editor and play with exporting from PR and back to PR.
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Re: Video unusable in DP8 on my system

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I just noticed that if I select Half Size movie or smaller, the system-wide slow and chunky graphics is negligible. Putting it at Full Screen makes playing DP and navigation in the OS nearly impossible. This makes me think that if they fix .dv issue (they're not recognized by dp8), so I can output video to an NTSC monitor, that I should be able to work with video again. It also makes me think that if MOTU can optimize the video engine I might be able to play them in DP with my current graphics card.

Has anyone else noticed that the size of the Movie frame in DP effects graphics performance?
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Full screen works fine here. Again, my graphics card is a NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GT. Can it be that simple?
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Thanks MLC. It could be that simple!

To be clear, you can see no dif whatsoever in your OS's graphics performance (opening windows, navigating etc) when a movie is playing Full Screen in DP8? …btw, playing a movie Full Screen in QT has no effect on my system. I only see this slow-down when using DP8
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Correct. No difference. Quite responsive.
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Re: Video unusable in DP8 on my system

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Thank you again for taking the time to check MLC.

I noticed this that might help someone help me:

The Activity Monitor shows that a Process called "QTKitServer-470(Digital Performer)" that uses 34mb of RAM and .4%ish of CPU shows up when you import a video into DP8. No such process starts when importing movies into 7, so it seems that Process is the new video engine at work. …or in my case, barely working.
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Re: Video unusable in DP8 on my system

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The issue I'm having is when in loop mode, when it goes back to the start of the loop the movie goes in fast forward motion for 10 sec. then it resumes back to normal speed. Audio plays back fine though! Happens regardless of video size. Anyone can replicate this?
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