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kgdrum · Post by **kgdrum** » Fri Nov 18, 2011 7:21 pm

Voodoo Child

MIDI Life Crisis · Post by **MIDI Life Crisis** » Fri Nov 18, 2011 7:27 pm

You want a piece of me? Huh? Huh?

jloeb · Post by **jloeb** » Fri Nov 18, 2011 8:19 pm

James Steele wrote:
jloeb wrote:This result has now been promoted from "isolated anecdote" to "multi-site study."
I dare you to go use that term on GS... no really... I dare ya!

Done. Was as irritatingly provocative as possible.

And I'm glad we agreed beforehand that in return I get a free autographed custom Dean(TM) seven-string.

Shooshie · Post by **Shooshie** » Sat Nov 19, 2011 12:39 am

toodamnhip wrote:It is very interesting to see the front edge of music actually being a return to the best things of the past...and one day, it will all be available on my wrist watch...lol...

This is mostly a phenomenon that is related to memory -- Baby Boomers' memory, mainly, but not limited to that group. Because we grew up on vinyl recordings, we remember that sound as "best." It's quite possible that a generation already exists who prefer digital, because they've never known anything other than that. What we call "warm," they might call "unfocused, blurred, and distorted." At some point, emulations of old analog gear will probably not be in great demand. Nor will it disappear, just that the broad appeal is more likely a product of a generation's memory of what they listened to when they were young.

Shooshie

toodamnhip · Post by **toodamnhip** » Sat Nov 19, 2011 1:25 am

Shooshie wrote:
toodamnhip wrote:It is very interesting to see the front edge of music actually being a return to the best things of the past...and one day, it will all be available on my wrist watch...lol...
This is mostly a phenomenon that is related to memory -- Baby Boomers' memory, mainly, but not limited to that group. Because we grew up on vinyl recordings, we remember that sound as "best." It's quite possible that a generation already exists who prefer digital, because they've never known anything other than that. What we call "warm," they might call "unfocused, blurred, and distorted." At some point, emulations of old analog gear will probably not be in great demand. Nor will it disappear, just that the broad appeal is more likely a product of a generation's memory of what they listened to when they were young.

Shooshie

Well,
what I put on the radio, and what I hear from my fellow producers is that many of us are using "dirty" sounds like tube compression and even distorted vocals and sounds.
I am not hearing music become cleaner at all. (Well, maybe country music). So, while it may be digital. that sound is not the "SOUND" anyone seems to really want. "Digital" is the clean slate and amazing computerized playground that allows emulation backwards in time or not. It is freedom. Todays technology is waaay more a source of FREEDOM than it is a sought after sound. If anyone thinks analog is nostalgia, well, they can try to plug a guitar into an amp and play rock with a clean sound and see how happy they are...lol..Distortion IS tubes.

I am not sure if it was you shoosh, or another member that tried to make some sort of point about analog not sounding better and only some sort of nostalgia....
The qualities of Analog only being nostalgia?....
I say.BS!!!

When I run my neumanns through my LA 610's or my Fairchilds etc, I hear those tubes making a gorgeous warmth, or, what is technically known as some sort of harmonic distortion.
This is no imagination and no nostalgia..it sounds great when the magic threshold of a tube is hit just right for a particular purpose.
If one listens to old Sinatra records, and many others, there is a magic sound to those mics and tubes.

Today's digital is also cool, if one likes that sound.

The ability to mix the two at will is what today's music is all about.
The purpose to all of this yadda yadda talking we do here comes down to FREEDOM.
The freedom to create what one hears.
DP is just a tool for that.
That is the only reason any of this technical struggle exists, so that we may all create what our ears tell us to.

Whatever one chooses, it is nice to have the tools.
And, I see the whole technical music industry emulating analog sounds.
That is not memory or nostalgia, it is a highly sought after sound.
I use both. If I want a clean bell, or tine or guitar string, maybe I'd like a grace solid state, or one of the ssl lunch boxes.
But usually, I am using tube stuff.

twistedtom · Post by **twistedtom** » Sat Nov 19, 2011 9:15 am

My take on the distortion of tubes, tape, records and plug-ins is that they create what we call a warm sound; this sound is a result of producing even harmonics and a rounded compression. Most people prefer this warm sound to the sharp clipping and odd harmonics of a transistor being over saturated. There is also the memory factor that people heard records or the distortion from tape decks and many producers continued to emulate that sound in the digital age. I received an email from Don’t Crack where they were selling some plug-ins today; one of the plug-ins was to emulate the classic tape machines of yester year.

jloeb · Post by **jloeb** » Sat Nov 19, 2011 10:02 am

If we have learned anything from the merry-go-round of nostalgic and retro trends and referents in not only music but fashion, film and television, it is that the digital condition is one of perfect replicability and ageless media. New artists rocket to popularity with a sound that is recognizably from five decades ago. We replace the faces of our actors with those of their younger selves, or even of those long dead, with increasing accuracy. Following digital transfer, films and music from the past look like they could have been shot or recorded two weeks ago.

This is the postmodern condition in digital form: both time and space collapse; the past is ever-invading the present, eerily so. We live, in our most intimate spaces, with ghosts who sometimes are more vivid than we ourselves.

So the audio past, our reference point to the "classic," isn't going away anytime soon, perhaps never, or at least much more slowly than it has before.

MIDI Life Crisis · Post by **MIDI Life Crisis** » Sat Nov 19, 2011 10:25 am

We live in the modern age, just as Copernicus lived in his modern age. The idea of "post modern" while great sounding is really meaningless. It essentially means 'the future' and none of us live in either the future or the past. There is only 'now.' Quantum mechanics is a beautiful thing. No?

BTW, I can only respond in the future to any responses you may have posted in the past. How ironic.

jloeb · Post by **jloeb** » Sat Nov 19, 2011 10:39 am

No, postmodern definitely doesn't mean "the future." It means an idea of the present and future that is different from the one we used to have back in the Modernist era (roughly through 1970; i.e., rationality leads to Progress).

MIDI Life Crisis · Post by **MIDI Life Crisis** » Sat Nov 19, 2011 11:53 am

Only in the minds of some. Modern means now. It was applied to an art movement that has yet to be defined. Once future generations define it, both modern and post modern as we understand them will apply to future generations. That's just plain history.

bayswater · Post by **bayswater** » Sat Nov 19, 2011 12:09 pm

You can always get back to modern from post modern via retro. And now that CERN has repeated the faster than light neutrino trip, we can all get answers to questions before we post them. Even those who believe in the here and now.

Michael Canavan · Post by **Michael Canavan** » Sat Nov 19, 2011 12:26 pm

bayswater wrote:You can always get back to modern from post modern via retro. And now that CERN has repeated the faster than light neutrino trip, we can all get answers to questions before we post them. Even those who believe in the here and now.

Off topic but have they?

jloeb · Post by **jloeb** » Sat Nov 19, 2011 12:31 pm

MIDI Life Crisis wrote:Modern means now.

The word "modern" does also mean "now." But "modernism" is not the same thing as "modern": it was a way of looking at the present and future that went way beyond just art, and that occupies a particular place in history. ''Postmodernism" refers to the latter; it doesn't mean "post-now."

To be sure, there are still some unironic modernists walking around today. They're mostly in the physical sciences.

cuttime · Post by **cuttime** » Sat Nov 19, 2011 12:47 pm

Michael Canavan wrote:
bayswater wrote:You can always get back to modern from post modern via retro. And now that CERN has repeated the faster than light neutrino trip, we can all get answers to questions before we post them. Even those who believe in the here and now.

I'm Scared!

FMiguelez · Post by **FMiguelez** » Sat Nov 19, 2011 1:03 pm

bayswater wrote:You can always get back to modern from post modern via retro. And now that CERN has repeated the faster than light neutrino trip, we can all get answers to questions before we post them. Even those who believe in the here and now.

Do you have a link for that?

Faster than light is not possible, according to current QM. My understanding is that FTL is purely hypothetical.

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