fine tune audio i/o

OldTimey · Post by **OldTimey** » Sat Dec 12, 2009 7:48 pm

in dp 5.13

does the Settings/Fine Tune Audio I/O dialog box really have ANY effect? I set different values in the box, and notice no change in the timing of my audio recording. Even ridiculous values like -10,000 samples (1/4 sec @ 44.1Khz) does NOTHING.

I've been recording handclaps for an hour, and can't for the life of me seem to get a take that lines up with my drums. I'm always lagging. Even when I try and anticipate the beat somewhat. What I hear through my monitors is NOT what gets recorded to disk. I always have to "nudge" my recordings so that they are in time.

DP makes me feel like i am a terrible musician!!! I know i can nail quarter note hand claps at 108bpm. I KNOW IT!

OldTimey · Post by **OldTimey** » Sat Dec 12, 2009 7:50 pm

PS it seems like the "search" function here doesn't really work. A search for "fine tune audio" all in quotes returns all threads with fine, tune, and audio....not really helpful.

Dan Walsh · Post by **Dan Walsh** » Sat Dec 12, 2009 7:52 pm

Not sure whats happening, but is DP set at direct hardware play through as opposed to monitor thru effects?

OldTimey · Post by **OldTimey** » Sat Dec 12, 2009 11:40 pm

direct hardware play thru.

I dunno. It just seems like the dialog box does nothing. Kind of disconcerting. If I set it to 44000 samples, everything should be off by about a second, right? well it doesn't seem to work. Does it work for anyone else? or is just another one of DP's 'features' that doesn't work the way you'd expect...or that you question it's existence. (Having the "Dither" option in the Audio menu is one such thing...WHY would I ever NOT want to have Dither on?)

wurliuchi · Post by **wurliuchi** » Sun Dec 13, 2009 1:08 am

Man, I don't know. I've never used it and I've never had a reason to use it. I do a lot of funk here with some great players and if there was a problem I or they would have noticed it. The bass player is one of the fastest bass players in the world and I've never had to move a note in an overdub. I don't know how a hand clap could cause so much trouble. Not blaming you, just thinking maybe it's something else.

newrigel · Post by **newrigel** » Sun Dec 13, 2009 4:49 am

Do you process your cans?

Phil O · Post by **Phil O** » Sun Dec 13, 2009 8:25 am

There's nothing in the manual on this as far as I can tell, but it's mentioned in the Getting Started book. I've played with this myself and found the the settings don't seem to change anything. It's also interesting that DP no longer ships with the calibration files. Dunno. This one's always been a mystery to me.

Phil

newrigel · Post by **newrigel** » Sun Dec 13, 2009 11:30 am

Phil O wrote:There's nothing in the manual on this as far as I can tell, but it's mentioned in the Getting Started book. I've played with this myself and found the the settings don't seem to change anything. It's also interesting that DP no longer ships with the calibration files. Dunno. This one's always been a mystery to me.

Phil

With ADC do you need it? Plus, there will be some delay due to buffer settings but as I stated before, any processing your hearing in the cans can effect how tightly you react to what you hear too... I monitor dry in the cans (w/o reverb) because it throws things off.

waitsongs · Post by **waitsongs** » Sun Dec 13, 2009 11:32 am

I've had weird timing problems every once in awhile that I've fixed simply by restarting DP, or rebooting the Mac. Not sure why it happens, but the interface (828mk3) seems to get out of sync or something. Might be worth a try if you haven't already done it. Good luck.

HCMarkus · Post by **HCMarkus** » Sun Dec 13, 2009 11:51 am

I haven't fiddled with it since fine-tuning my G5 Quad under DP4.5x when it was new, but I assure you, it at least used to work.

By zooming in the Sequence Editor and recording, you can visually confirm whether changes are taking place. You can also check your overall audio I/O timing by simply looping a pre-recorded track (transient in nature) out of your interface and back into an input, re-recording, and then comparing the soundbites to be sure they are lined up perfectly.

waxman · Post by **waxman** » Sun Dec 13, 2009 1:15 pm

I just spoke with the tech at MOTU on Friday about the fine tune i/o... he said that DP7 is really close and it's just about getting the MIDI to line up with audio...

OldTimey · Post by **OldTimey** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 8:46 am

Yea I do remember messing with it in DP4 and it working. In 5, nothing.

I suspect there might be something going on with my monitoring system when I work at 88.2. Perhaps my 828mkii just isn't up to the task. I find that sometimes I have to shift vocal takes so that they line up right. If it was a performance issue it'd just be a few beats here and there that don't line up right, in this case it's entire takes.

Funny though, I restarted DP, and the hand claps got tighter. I'm not sure what it is. Well im about to upgrade to DP7, so I'll see how it goes there.

thanks peeps. long time no see (been gigging a lot, not much DP stuff)

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