Screencast of Composing with DP and Bidule

c0mp0ser · Post by **c0mp0ser** » Sat Feb 28, 2009 8:35 pm

Hi all,

I made a couple of little screencast tutorials of me working with DP... I always find these kinds of things interesting to watch, so I thought I'd make my own.

I hope you enjoy these:

Composing a quick piece:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGBfgaesP-4&fmt=22
Walking through a heroic theme I wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHZ4G_1gzx4&fmt=22
UPDATE:
Another piece:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvQBpoh1N6I&fmt=22
Bidule and DP template walkthrough:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBB4Txnpl78&fmt=22

Best,
Mike

waxman · Post by **waxman** » Sat Feb 28, 2009 10:05 pm

That was wonderful!!!

YouTube · Post by **James Steele** » Sat Feb 28, 2009 10:18 pm

Hey Mike... that was great stuff! I wish I had as few "Nevermind that was stupid moments" as you do!

I have to ask... would you mind explaining how your template works? It's intriguing that you have all those tracks and you just scroll down play enable and there's a patch already on that channel good to go! Are they all feeding various VIs? It sounds like you've got a great method going! Any way... that was just great... thanks for sharing!!!

c0mp0ser · Post by **c0mp0ser** » Sat Feb 28, 2009 11:04 pm

Hi James,

Thanks! My setup is pretty streamlined now. Most of the template is hosted in Plogue Bidule on the same computer as DP. Then the audio is routed from Bidule to DP through rewire. Bidule runs about 11 instances of Kontakt and I've tweaked the DFD settings to get this much stuff to load under the 2GB limit.
Then I have only 1 PC now running Gigastudio for all the percussion/pianos/harps.

I'm pretty happy with how this all works. What's also great is that I have 11 instances of Altiverb in DP, and each section of the orchestra goes through it's own reverb, allowing me to stem everything all at once (LNGSTR, SHRTSTR, LNGBRS, SHRTBRS, WW... etc...)

Definitely avoids that annoying process of soloing each section and recording individually. Also, since the template is all loaded in Bidule in the background, I can open and close new projects without having to wait for stuff to load.

I'm going to make another Screencast showing all those details.

Mike

bongo_x · Post by **bongo_x** » Sat Feb 28, 2009 11:53 pm

That was really interesting. We're all using the same program, but we work in such different worlds. It helps make sense out of some of things said here and puts some context to it. I don't make anything like the sort of music you do, but still it surprised me a little that from that short video I couldn't see one single thing in common with the way I work, except that you're using DP and a Mac. It sure seems to work great for you though!

Thanks for the insight.

bb

waterstrum · Post by **waterstrum** » Sun Mar 01, 2009 12:47 am

Great post!
Thanks for sharing your insight and techniques.
I shudder to think of the amount of head scratching that went in to putting your system together.
Yikes, to make all of those CPU hungry VIs play nice together on only two computers.
Very cool!
Really great music too.
I salute you.

Shooshie · Post by **Shooshie** » Sun Mar 01, 2009 2:21 am

Enjoyed your videos very much. Went searching for more, and found your lessons on jazz voicings. Could have used those 20 years ago when I was trying to figure it out on my own, but at least we ended up in pretty much the same place. Well... except that you can nail 'em, and I still hesitate. But I'm not a keyboardist. (my wonderful excuse for everything)

I loved your DP template, too. Very nice work, and you either work very efficiently or you know how to make a great video (or both). More of them would be welcome.

Shooshie

dosuna11 · Post by **dosuna11** » Sun Mar 01, 2009 9:19 am

Please let us know when the you post the stats on your set up. Excellent demo!

cbergm7210 · Post by **cbergm7210** » Sun Mar 01, 2009 10:36 am

Also, since the template is all loaded in Bidule in the background, I can open and close new projects without having to wait for stuff to load.

That seems like a great idea. I get tired of waiting when DP crashes to reload the project. Esp. when a client is sitting right next to me.

I wonder if that setup in general just runs more stable because DP is not dealing with all the VI's. That thought is exciting.

Mike, does the Plogue Bidule work well? IE, does it ever crash as DP can when things get hairy on a big project?

I see the Plogue Bidule used to be offered as a demo to try, but is not offered like that right now. I would sure like to try this setup out. Enough to just buy the thing if you say it works trouble free and stable, Mike.

Thanks for the info.

Chris

MIDI Life Crisis · Post by **MIDI Life Crisis** » Sun Mar 01, 2009 11:21 am

Nice to see someone else working for a change

Thanks. The only thing I probably would have done a little differently was to have the sleigh bells accent on the 2nd & 3rd beats - keeping the triangle on 1. Probably from listening to too much Tull in my youth.

Maybe too much Tchaikovsky as well.

So how much to license the baby crying sample? Do I need to go thru your babies friends parents?

PS- Very nice work!

pencilina · Post by **pencilina** » Sun Mar 01, 2009 1:08 pm

Nice work. Bidule is the best!

kassonica · Post by **kassonica** » Sun Mar 01, 2009 2:18 pm

EX work

Learnt a lot.

Love the witt

please do more

c0mp0ser · Post by **c0mp0ser** » Sun Mar 01, 2009 2:26 pm

cbergm7210 wrote: Mike, does the Plogue Bidule work well? IE, does it ever crash as DP can when things get hairy on a big project?
Chris

I've used this setup recently for a pretty music-heavy polyphony-heavy project and it was rock-solid. DP runs fine of course, since there's nothing loaded in it. (Although I do use the V-Rack for things that are tempo locked, like Stylus or Omnisphere or something like that.... and additional cue-specific instruments.) Bidule is for the foundation of the template.

Now, the ONLY drawback... is that you have to set your hardware to a 512 buffer minimum. Some people cringe at that idea, but I've gotten used to the latency. I've tried to lower it, but the CPU no likey.

Sorry MLC, the baby crying sample is a custom library. Not for sale.

jroadrage · Post by **jroadrage** » Sun Mar 01, 2009 5:21 pm

Really enjoyed the vids, thanks for posting.

I noticed that you have VSL running alongside Kontakt, are you using VE2/3 instances (assuming it's not the First/Pro/Horizon/Opus Editions) inside of Bidule with Kontakt? I've been experimenting with a similar single Macpro setup and I have yet to find a configuration with K3 and VE running simultaneously that doesn't cause DP to do all kinds of pissing and moaning.

MIDI Life Crisis · Post by **MIDI Life Crisis** » Sun Mar 01, 2009 6:02 pm

pencilina wrote:Nice work. Bidule is the best!

RE: Bidule

On a most simplistic level - can I use this program to run a standalone app (such as Kontakt 2 which doesn't run on PPC machines running Leopard and DP 6).

Clearly, it seems far more complex that that, but that would solve my immediate problem with DP 6.

Thanks in advance, guys.

MOTUnation.com

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