Scale charts available for download

philbrown · Post by **philbrown** » Tue Jan 15, 2008 8:02 am

Please refer to this thread for background:
http://www.unicornation.com/phpBB2/view ... hp?t=25838

With much kind encouragement from u-folks -here are some links to zipped folders of PDF scale diagrams in all 12 keys, for both guitar and keys. Each link is 4MB or less.

The first are various scales, modes, modes of modes, for keyboard etc
http://idisk.mac.com/doctorvague/Public ... s-Kybd.zip

These are various ethnic scales, like Hungarian, Chinese, Hindu, etc.for Keyboard:
http://idisk.mac.com/doctorvague/Public ... s-Kybd.zip

Misc scales and modes for guitar:
http://idisk.mac.com/doctorvague/Public ... -I-Gtr.zip
http://idisk.mac.com/doctorvague/Public ... -L-Gtr.zip
http://idisk.mac.com/doctorvague/Public ... -L-Gtr.zip
http://idisk.mac.com/doctorvague/Public ... -Z-Gtr.zip

Ethnic scales for guitar:
http://idisk.mac.com/doctorvague/Public ... -H-Gtr.zip
http://idisk.mac.com/doctorvague/Public ... -Z-Gtr.zip

And here are some charts in all 12 keys that show the major and minor triads contained within each scale. The dark rectangles show the triads in the scale. The alternating light and dark horizontals are just to help your eye read across the page.

http://idisk.mac.com/doctorvague/Public ... lesPDF.zip

I'll add notes below. Please let me know any bad links, errors, etc.
Enjoy!!
Phil
Added later - some links to scale web sites, calculators etc.:
http://www.xs4all.nl/~huygensf/doc/modename.html

http://www.guitarsite.com/scales.htm

http://mitarbeiter.werkbank.com/mennigm ... ssi#Scales

http://www.jazzguitar.be/exotic_guitar_scales.html

http://jguitar.com/scale?root=C&scale=O ... tes=sharps

http://www.ushimitsudoki.com/scalculato ... lator.html

Here is a DP file with a MIDI track playing a C scale through a MIDI transpose plug-in where you can easily select different scales and sit back and have a listen and get a feel for them.
http://idisk.mac.com/doctorvague/Public ... point1.zip

enjoy

Phil O · Post by **Phil O** » Tue Jan 15, 2008 9:27 am

Thank you, Phil. It looks like you spent a lot of time putting this together. Your generosity is greatly appreciated.

Phil

monkey man · Post by **monkey man** » Tue Jan 15, 2008 10:03 am

Yay! Thank you, Phil!

I sure hope you managed to get that batch conversion process happening and aren't going to do them one at a time.

You know, when I pleaded with you in the other thread, the last thing I expected was that you'd be able to deliver.

Bravo man, bravo!

philbrown · Post by **philbrown** » Tue Jan 15, 2008 10:48 am

You are quite welcome my friends.
Here's my batch processor:
Command-E, Return, Return, Command-W, Command-D and repeat many many times.

Sorta like Lather, Rinse, Repeat - but they never tell you when to stop - the endless Shampoo Loop

It was only a couple of hours, since all the main work was done previously, all I have to do is export to PDF, not so bad and I've been wanting to do this for a while so all is well.

I'm working on the guitar ones now.

Can anyone figure out what the heck I'm doing wrong the URL's though???

FMiguelez · Post by **FMiguelez** » Tue Jan 15, 2008 5:33 pm

philbrown wrote:You are quite welcome my friends.
Here's my batch processor:
Command-E, Return, Return, Command-W, Command-D and repeat many many times. Sorta like Lather, Rinse, Repeat - but they never tell you when to stop - the endless Shampoo Loop
It was only a couple of hours, since all the main work was done previously, all I have to do is export to PDF, not so bad and I've been wanting to do this for a while so all is well.

I'm working on the guitar ones now.

Can anyone figure out what the heck I'm doing wrong the URL's though???

Hey, Phil!!

Man, you deserve a medal.

Looks like you got into the rhythm of the procedure, uh? Did it sound like 7/8?

I'm sure Nicky will LOVE these charts. I hope downloading these files don't keep him from hanging here for too long. His internet connection will be busy downloading these!

Thank you for sharing!!

monkey man · Post by **monkey man** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 3:41 am

You're not wrong there, Fernando.

You must either have put yourself in my shoes or been in a similar position where suddenly you could see what various scales looked like, when previously they were impenetrably complex hieroglyphics (dots sprinkled on railway tracks!) to you.

Still downloading the Modes batch, mainly because I've been whittling away at some of Shooshie's offerings.
Once I've got all of whatever Phil posts, I'm hoping I'll have something I can refer to for life, especially if I don't end up learning to read, so there's no danger to the Monkey's presence here, I figure.
Unless, of course, exploring these things is immediately addictive, which I suspect it might be.

I'll never forget that what I'm looking at will be Phil's hard work, and I sure hope he realises this, as it's an offering of respect, if you will.

Phil, if you can drag the url's directly into the posting window, rather than paste them in and bracket them the way you appear to have done, I think you should be OK; that is, it may be a lot simpler and quicker than you'd thought.
It's not an area I know much about, but whenever I've dragged web addresses into the window the resulting links have worked.

toofar · Post by **toofar** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 9:28 am

philbrown wrote:... Can anyone figure out what the heck I'm doing wrong the URL's though???

I'm struggling to recall your links before they got fixed, but I seem to recall a couple may have included spaces and/or un-escaped characters in them. Try a test post with a simpler address and see if that works for you.

Bill

philbrown · Post by **philbrown** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 9:31 am

Notes

The scales I have posted are a small fraction of the scales out there and is not meant to all-inclusive. The ones I have chosen (and discarded) represent personal musical bias, especially that I am attracted to 'vague' scales, and by that I mean major-minor. The following scales are all both major and minor (b3 and natural3).
Miles Scale
Sambah (a Greek scale as I recall)
Phrygian flat 4
Super Locrian
Ultra Locrian

I am aware that technically, like in the case of Phrygian flat 4, that the Major third is technically a flat 4 the way it's being spelled and derived, but to me it sounds major-minor so it serves the same musical purpose no matter what scale degree you assign to it.

Some good scales to start with:
Hindu
Miles
Lydian flat 7
Lydian Diminished
Any of the European scales that happen to appeal to you, like Hungarian, Romanian etc.

A couple of ideas- especially for the European scales, try your best movie score pad patch and hold the root down as you play various notes and combos of notes above the root to get a feel for the scale. Another approach for me is Rhodes Piano Herbie Hancock style and for the Asian scales its a perfect place to use those Ethno samples you have laying around. Many of these are so dissonant they "tear" away from the root very easily. For example- Super Locrian. You need a strong root note or the scale wants to fly off a half step up etc as if you were "planing" in jazz terms (I believe that's the right term). Good examples of this are found in Mahavishnu Orchestra's music, some of which has that heavy root note going on.

other notes

Instant Jazz is one of mine and I have a couple of dozen others. Philgarian too, but I think that one has another name but I forget what it was... You notice some of the Keyboard diagrams only cover 1 octave and others 2 octaves. The 1 octave ones were done earlier and then realized that 2 octaves shows more about the scale visually (to me anyway). I just never went back and redid the old ones as it's too much work!
Lydian Minor has quotes around it because it's not minor IMO, but that is how it's labeled so the quotes help me remember that it's not really minor in the b3 sense.

The 5 note scales (mostly Asian) I have found to be very specific in tonality and feel, and are almost a melody in themselves rather than a scale. A good example to try is Hirajoshi and Iwato. They are limiting in a way and the spaces between the notes comes more into play (i.e.the notes you're leaving out define the scale). You can start with those and gradually add notes of your choosing, as the 5 note scales end up being subsets of 6 and 7 note scales anyway, just add the notes the sound good to you. On the other end the 8, 9 etc note scales I have not included as I find them to have too much chromaticism for my taste and sounds like a bunch of passing notes thrown in. There'a reason why 7 note scales have come to be a standard more or less. Again, just a personal bias. There are plenty of others to investigate and I will post some links to those charts floating around the net as well.

Locrian, Super Locrian and Ultra Locrian are the Laundry Detergent Scales (with Ocean Fresh Scent). Unfortunately there's no New Improved Mega-Locrian. Major Locrian was of course a character in a Paul McCartney/Wings song.

Seriously though, Major Locrian, Lydian MInor and Leading Whole Tone are basically whole tone scales (6 notes) with one extra note thrown in.
Lots more to say but save it for later.

Again thanks for all the kind words, but most of this work was done a couple of years ago so this wasn't so bad just converting and uploading. Also figured out my earlier URL problem was that I had spaces in the links and the internet don't like that. --Toofar we posted that at the same time:D
So the links are all in the first post which I may edit and add to later with some charts, etc.

Cheers
Phil

monkey man · Post by **monkey man** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 9:38 am

Thank you again, Phil.

Don't forget to eat, sleep and earn a living, mate!
Seriously, please don't feel you're obligated to rush this.
If you need to take your time, please don't feel bad about having to do so.

philbrown · Post by **philbrown** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 9:53 am

monkey man wrote:Thank you again, Phil.

Don't forget to eat, sleep and earn a living, mate!
Seriously, please don't feel you're obligated to rush this.
If you need to take your time, please don't feel bad about having to do so.

No worries mate! I worked a lot of seven-day weeks last year but have had a much needed break lately and have wanted to do this for a while.

PS I added the triads-in-scales charts in all 12 keys and edited that in to the first post to have all links in one place.

Enjoy!

monkey man · Post by **monkey man** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 7:36 am

Phil, the "Ethnic Scales 12 Keys I-Z Gtr" folder contains only keyboard diagrams.
These are the folders:

In Sen Kybd
Iwato Kybd
Japanese Kybd
Jewish-Spanish Kybd
Philgarian Kybd
Romanian Kybd
Sambah Kybd

Just thought you'd want to know so you can fix it.

philbrown · Post by **philbrown** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 7:52 am

Thanks MM - that happened when I was dividing down into smaller folders to keep the downloads small. All fixed.
Hey at least I know one person who actually downloaded these

pimpanela · Post by **pimpanela** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 7:54 am

oh! thank you very much!

monkey man · Post by **monkey man** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 8:06 am

Hey, no worries Phil.

It's not like we're doing all the work.

pimpanela wrote:oh! thank you very much!

Don't fret, scarlet one; Phil did say, "person".

sck · Post by **sck** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 8:25 am

Wow thanks! Very interesting and no doubt painstaking work. Did you actually sort all this out by listening/transcribing from recordings or is it compiled from historical documents etc.---probably both? With my typical american indoctrination I didn't realize there existed names for scales beyond major, the three minors, pentatonics, whole tone, diminished and greek modes. Figuring anything else was just addition/subtraction/variation according to whim rather than established conventions.

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