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Waves by Subscription
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The forum for petitions, theoretical discussion, gripes, or other matters outside deemed outside the scope of helping users make optimal use of MOTU hardware and software. Posts in other forums may be moved here at the moderators discretion. No politics or religion!!
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mikehalloran
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Re: Waves by Subscription
Hmmmm...
Microsoft (Office)
Adobe
AVID (Sibelius)
iZotope
Bitwig
now Waves…
All have tried pulling permanent licenses in favor of Subscription, then walked it back. Adobe and Sibelius make it very hard to find their permanent licenses but it's not impossible.
Who's next?
I'm not dead set against subscriptions and have a few where it is more cost effective to maintain them.
Microsoft (Office)
Adobe
AVID (Sibelius)
iZotope
Bitwig
now Waves…
All have tried pulling permanent licenses in favor of Subscription, then walked it back. Adobe and Sibelius make it very hard to find their permanent licenses but it's not impossible.
Who's next?
I'm not dead set against subscriptions and have a few where it is more cost effective to maintain them.
DP 11.31; 828mkII FW, micro lite, M4, MTP/AV USB Firmware 2.0.1
2023 Mac Studio M2 8TB, 192GB RAM, OS Sonoma 14.4.1, USB4 8TB external, M-Audio AIR 192|14, Mackie ProFxv3 6/10/12; 2012 MBPs Catalina, Mojave
IK-NI-Izotope-PSP-Garritan-Antares, LogicPro X, Finale 27.4, Dorico 5.2, Notion 6, Overture 5, TwistedWave, DSP-Q 5, SmartScore64 Pro, Toast 20 Pro
2023 Mac Studio M2 8TB, 192GB RAM, OS Sonoma 14.4.1, USB4 8TB external, M-Audio AIR 192|14, Mackie ProFxv3 6/10/12; 2012 MBPs Catalina, Mojave
IK-NI-Izotope-PSP-Garritan-Antares, LogicPro X, Finale 27.4, Dorico 5.2, Notion 6, Overture 5, TwistedWave, DSP-Q 5, SmartScore64 Pro, Toast 20 Pro
Re: Waves by Subscription
Some people lease cars. Imagine that!mikehalloran wrote: ↑Thu Mar 30, 2023 1:24 pm I'm not dead set against subscriptions and have a few where it is more cost effective to maintain them.
2018 Mini i7 32G 10.14.6, DP 11.3, Mixbus 9, Logic 10.5, Scarlett 18i8
Re: Waves by Subscription
I predict Native Instruments is next in line to give it a serious go expanding their current toe in the water Komplete Now concept with more tiers. iZotope will also more aggressively push / expand their “producer’s club” or whatever they call it too I bet.
10 core iMacPro | 64 GB RAM | OS 12.6.7 | LOGIC PRO | STUDIO ONE 6 | CUBASE 12 | BITWIG 5 | DP 11 | MOTU Interfaces | Waaay Too Many Plug-ins |
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mikehalloran
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Re: Waves by Subscription
Both are being marketed together now so who knows?
I was one of many who pushed back hard on iZotope's first subscription model asking, "What does this give me that I don't have already?"
"Uh… nothing."
Yep, that. They keep telling me that I can upgrade to the Everything Bundle for $199. But… I already have everything.
DP 11.31; 828mkII FW, micro lite, M4, MTP/AV USB Firmware 2.0.1
2023 Mac Studio M2 8TB, 192GB RAM, OS Sonoma 14.4.1, USB4 8TB external, M-Audio AIR 192|14, Mackie ProFxv3 6/10/12; 2012 MBPs Catalina, Mojave
IK-NI-Izotope-PSP-Garritan-Antares, LogicPro X, Finale 27.4, Dorico 5.2, Notion 6, Overture 5, TwistedWave, DSP-Q 5, SmartScore64 Pro, Toast 20 Pro
2023 Mac Studio M2 8TB, 192GB RAM, OS Sonoma 14.4.1, USB4 8TB external, M-Audio AIR 192|14, Mackie ProFxv3 6/10/12; 2012 MBPs Catalina, Mojave
IK-NI-Izotope-PSP-Garritan-Antares, LogicPro X, Finale 27.4, Dorico 5.2, Notion 6, Overture 5, TwistedWave, DSP-Q 5, SmartScore64 Pro, Toast 20 Pro
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Rick Cornish
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Re: Waves by Subscription
So…. Isn’t WUP just another way of charging for a subscription?bayswater wrote: ↑Thu Mar 30, 2023 2:40 pmSome people lease cars. Imagine that!mikehalloran wrote: ↑Thu Mar 30, 2023 1:24 pm I'm not dead set against subscriptions and have a few where it is more cost effective to maintain them.
Rick Cornish
DP 11 on M2 Mac Studio (64mB mem. + 2tB int. SSD + two 2tB ext. SSDs, and Mac OS Sonoma). VIs from MOTU, Spectrasonics, NI, UVI, 8dio, Soniccouture, East West, Spitfire, Heavyocity, Vir2, and more; plus Waves 14, Brainworx, iZotope, Wavesfactory, Oeksound, Final Mix, JST, SPL, PSP, UVI, Valhalla DSP, and other FX plugs, Roland A-88, Apogee Quartet, iCON Platform Nano, Genelec 1032a and Westlake BBSM4 monitors, Gibson HR Fusion III. rickcornish.net
DP 11 on M2 Mac Studio (64mB mem. + 2tB int. SSD + two 2tB ext. SSDs, and Mac OS Sonoma). VIs from MOTU, Spectrasonics, NI, UVI, 8dio, Soniccouture, East West, Spitfire, Heavyocity, Vir2, and more; plus Waves 14, Brainworx, iZotope, Wavesfactory, Oeksound, Final Mix, JST, SPL, PSP, UVI, Valhalla DSP, and other FX plugs, Roland A-88, Apogee Quartet, iCON Platform Nano, Genelec 1032a and Westlake BBSM4 monitors, Gibson HR Fusion III. rickcornish.net
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James Steele
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Re: Waves by Subscription
Sort of. But with a subscription your plugs don’t work when the subscription term expires. You can go years without paying WUP, unless you update MacOS to a version that “breaks” the plugs.Rick Cornish wrote:So…. Isn’t WUP just another way of charging for a subscription?bayswater wrote: ↑Thu Mar 30, 2023 2:40 pmSome people lease cars. Imagine that!mikehalloran wrote: ↑Thu Mar 30, 2023 1:24 pm I'm not dead set against subscriptions and have a few where it is more cost effective to maintain them.
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Mac Studio M1 Max, 64GB/2TB, MacOS 14.5 Public Beta, DP 11.31, MOTU 828es, MOTU 24Ai, MOTU MIDI Express XT, UAD-2 TB3 Satellite OCTO, Console 1 Mk2, Avid S3, NI Komplete Kontrol S88 Mk2, Red Type B, Millennia HV-3C, Warm Audio WA-2A, AudioScape 76F, Dean guitars, Marshall amps, etc., etc.!
Mac Studio M1 Max, 64GB/2TB, MacOS 14.5 Public Beta, DP 11.31, MOTU 828es, MOTU 24Ai, MOTU MIDI Express XT, UAD-2 TB3 Satellite OCTO, Console 1 Mk2, Avid S3, NI Komplete Kontrol S88 Mk2, Red Type B, Millennia HV-3C, Warm Audio WA-2A, AudioScape 76F, Dean guitars, Marshall amps, etc., etc.!