I'm balking on getting the M1 Max and buying a 5 month old M1 Macbook Air off Craigslist. Mostly because The M1 Max I want comes in at around 5 grand and at that price I would feel weird taking it places. The 16GB RAM Air and my old trusty 09 MAc Pro with 96GB RAM will cover orchestral stuff just fine with VEP, and at 1/4 the price of the new M1 Max. The combined Geekbench score of the Pro and Air matches the M1 Max, with 16+96GB RAM.The only caveat is going through some hoops to set up two monitors with the Air, but it's possible.
Which new Mac Pro is optimal for a DP DAW?
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Re: Which new Mac Pro is optimal for a DP DAW?
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Re: Which new Mac Pro is optimal for a DP DAW?
To respond…dix wrote: ↑Thu Oct 21, 2021 1:32 am Interesting that RIck's 2013 is running well with DP11.02 when another user in Japan has noted issues like you have reported. Only diff looks like macOS11.
…Presumably Rick is running DP11 with video. @Rick, if you have time please check out the link HC referenced and let us know if you’re experiencing the movie-window-lag that users of older Macs are experiencing with DP11.
I only *just* updated to Big Sur and DP11.02 and hadn't run any video projects on that platform until this morning. I opened a *large* (for me) video project I did in DP 9.52 which included a 720p video file. Once I sorted out issues with plugins I'd changed since I did this score, it ran perfectly without a glitch or hiccup. Screen shot below for reference on the file size.
I will say, my Mac Pro is a working system, so I don't have Microsoft Office or other non-music or video software on it, nor do I have any apps or plugins from sketchy sources installed on my system drive. I like keeping things clean and simple on my working systems.
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DP 11 on M2 Mac Studio (64mB mem. + 2tB int. SSD + two 2tB ext. SSDs, and Mac OS Sonoma). VIs from MOTU, Spectrasonics, NI, UVI, 8dio, Soniccouture, East West, Spitfire, Heavyocity, Vir2, and more; plus Waves 14, Brainworx, iZotope, Wavesfactory, Oeksound, Final Mix, JST, SPL, PSP, UVI, Valhalla DSP, and other FX plugs, Roland A-88, Apogee Quartet, iCON Platform Nano, Genelec 1032a and Westlake BBSM4 monitors, Gibson HR Fusion III. rickcornish.net
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Re: Which new Mac Pro is optimal for a DP DAW?
Rick, did you try the editing move that dix did as depicted in his video at the linked thread?
Just want to confirm this. Thanks!
Just want to confirm this. Thanks!
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Rick, did you ever upgrade to an NVMe blade or is your 6.1 still sporting its AHCI SSD?
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Re: Which new Mac Pro is optimal for a DP DAW?
Thanks Rick. Yes. In general large projects with movies run at least as well in DP11 as they did in previous versions of DP on older Macs like mine. It's only specific actions that cause the issue in DP11 (key issues in my workflow). This movie demonstrates just a few of the laggy actions that a Movie window causes in DP11 that disappear when the movie is cleared:Rick Cornish wrote: ↑Thu Oct 21, 2021 9:14 amTo respond…dix wrote: ↑Thu Oct 21, 2021 1:32 am Interesting that RIck's 2013 is running well with DP11.02 when another user in Japan has noted issues like you have reported. Only diff looks like macOS11.
…Presumably Rick is running DP11 with video. @Rick, if you have time please check out the link HC referenced and let us know if you’re experiencing the movie-window-lag that users of older Macs are experiencing with DP11.
I only *just* updated to Big Sur and DP11.02 and hadn't run any video projects on that platform until this morning. I opened a *large* (for me) video project I did in DP 9.52 which included a 720p video file. Once I sorted out issues with plugins I'd changed since I did this score, it ran perfectly without a glitch or hiccup. Screen shot below for reference on the file size.
I will say, my Mac Pro is a working system, so I don't have Microsoft Office or other non-music or video software on it, nor do I have any apps or plugins from sketchy sources installed on my system drive. I like keeping things clean and simple on my working systems.
I too run a relatively clean DP-only rig, but still can't shake this issue. MOTU has acknowledged the problem, but haven't been able to suggest a fix.
[Apologies again for taking this even further off-topic, but a user of an older Mac that is not experiencing the lag could really help a few of us that are. Thx again]
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