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Phil O wrote:Well, good news. They are giving me enough to get the 8 core trash can (base model). I can put in some cash of my own if I want more memory/storage. I'm very happy with that. 8)

Haven't heard on the converters yet.

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Niiiice! Your approach is clearly working well, Phil. 8 Core 6,1 is a sweet spot.

You should be fine with the base GPUs and they are less likely to push the thermal limits of the 6,1.

Great to get a lot of internal storage, but the 6,1 has a plethora of ports, so fast external TB or USB3 storage is always an option.

You might look into the newer MOTU interfaces... excellent conversion, TB compatible and a sweet internal mixer for monitor mixes. I have been very pleased with the 828es. OTOH, Apogee will move some minds in your direction on name alone.
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Yeah, they just sent me a complete list of what equipment they will sanction for full replacement cost. They're going with the Lynx Aurora (n) to replace the Rosetta and the UAD Satellite to replace the PCIe UAD that was in my Mac. I really think they gave me a fair deal.

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HD enclosure suggestions?
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I'm using all docks. Again, the USB3 docks are just as fast (if not faster) than the TB docks. I have a few older FW800 enclosures. I hate the Glyph ones with the bright flashing lights. I think those are the glyphs... At the speed that data accumulates in my system, docks make swapping out drives for Time Machine and formatting retired Teach drives easy and I still have a lot of drive space (all spinners). The one thing I miss from my CheesGrater is the 4 internal drive bays and two DVD drives. The Apple DVD drive is working out well, as is the Apple QWERTY kbd. I have a wired one but they don't take that any longer. All the Logitech stuff I've had stopped connecting reliably and the product didn't hold up under my drummer fingers. lol My piano is similarly affected. :boohoo:
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Phil O wrote:HD enclosure suggestions?
Nothing beats the convenience of this:

https://eshop.macsales.com/item/OWC/U3DRVDCK2/
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I also use all docks for SSD drives on my 6,1 both TB and USB3. TB docks here are faster than USB3, but fastest is the internal SSD. I also use 2 4K monitors. I found I had to pay close attention to the 6,1 busses and how peripherals are connected to not "overload" them and reduce performance. Apple has a support document about which ports use which bus. I'm a very happy DP user with this configuration. I came from a 3,1 8-core and the difference is huge. I now prefer the convenience of little obelisks in the back of my work desk to the 4 internal drives + docks of the 3,1 which was a bear to shut down, disconnect, pull out, open up, replace drives, close back up push back in place, reconnect,........ issues which didn't bother me at all when I bought it 10 years ago :) BUT, what a great computer the 3,1 was! It served me through many film and album projects for 10 years. Can't beat that. :)


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Thanks for the suggestions, guys. Anyone upgraded an internal ssd in a trash can? Is it cost effective or should I order it with a big drive?

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Order it with the biggest drive you can afford. I have a 1TB and it's still $1400 to upgrade it to 2TB from OWC. I've had to offload all my iTunes and iPhoto libraries to spinners. Projects are all on externals as well. I only have the OS, VIs, and occasionally a fast tracked project on the internal drive. The last thing I want is for the drive to fill up. That $1400 could buy a lot of other stuff and I already have like 20TB of spinners around here. Crazy, right?
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Phil O wrote:HD enclosure suggestions?
MIDI Life Crisis wrote:I'm using all docks.
What he said unless you need portability. This USB 3 dock is $22.49
https://www.amazon.com/Cable-Matters-Do ... B0099TX7O4

I've seen this TB dock as low as $100 recently.
https://www.amazon.com/HighPoint-Dual-B ... B00DJ3YEH0

USB 3 is just a hair under the 6G theoretical limit for SATA III. TB is no faster because of that same limit. This assumes single SSDs and not multiple drives in a RAID 0 enclosure.

For Time Machine, I recommend the WD My Cloud Mirror (ethernet connection only). These use a pair of WD Red HHDs with extra heavy bearings. The 4T has a pair of 2T drives, the 16T has two 8T drives and so on. If you decide to upgrade the internal storage, replacing the drives takes about a minute with a screwdriver.
https://www.wdc.com/products/personal-c ... -gen2.html

These can be set for Time Machine, NAS (network attached storage) or both. Mine is a 4T that I upgraded with a pair of 6T WD Reds set up as JBOD (just a bunch of drives) so that the two drives alternate each hour. They come defaulted to RAID 1 (mirrored) but that just runs them twice as often with a little more noise. Setting as JBOD for Time Machine is neither well explained nor intuitive but I know how.
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Phil O wrote:Thanks for the suggestions, guys. Anyone upgraded an internal ssd in a trash can? Is it cost effective or should I order it with a big drive?
MIDI Life Crisis wrote:Order it with the biggest drive you can afford.
Absolutely. Unless...

Here's something if your adjuster will sign off:

Order with the 256K internal ($600 less than the 1T). Have Apple ship it to OWC and have them install the 2T or 4T option.
https://eshop.macsales.com/item/OWC/SSDA13MP2.0/

Besides the initial savings, you'll save the sales tax since OWC is not in your state. I've done this before—OWC can tell you the particulars.
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For fastest external storage, this TB2 PCIe external box is a tad under $200:

https://www.amazon.com/Akitio-Thunder2- ... B00LTAUTHE

Appears to support NVMe PCIe SSD storage under mac OS10.13 (High Sierra) which would mean readily available fast external storage...

https://www.anandtech.com/show/9799/best-ssds

1TB "entry level" PCIe SSD $339, so your looking at a little more than $500 for 1TB including the enclosure. Samsung 860PCIe will hit your wallet harder.

On the other end of the affordability spectrum, there is this for SATA SSDs:

https://www.amazon.com/Sabrent-Tool-fre ... +USB3+case

I note one comment indicates "supports Trim". Under mac OS, I'm not sure.

If budget is an issue, I would suggest considering using the internal Mac Pro SSD as your boot drive and, like MLC has recently done, offloading data to more affordable external storage. I recently picked up a new 1TB Samsung 860EVO SSD on eBay for under $255 (broken out from bulk purchase by seller), so SSD storage is certainly quite affordable.

So what do you need for boot? The base 256GB drive is enough if you manage storage carefully. You could even keep a couple of current projects on the internal if you don't fill it up with photos, iTunes, and emails.

Inexpensive external spinners are great for daily project backup and Time Machine backups. I am now using the 8TB Seagate Archive Drive, which is available for $150 in an enclosure:

https://www.amazon.com/Seagate-Expansio ... hard+drive

FYI, these drives cost more if purchased without the USB3 enclosure.

When a drive fills up, I put it in storage and start with a fresh one. Actually, two, as I rotate two externals for Time Machine use.

You might want to consider having a daily manual Project Backup spinner in addition to your automatic Time Machine backups. With a Project Backup always available and storing loads of stuff, it is easy to find old projects when the client calls for an update/rework.
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Thanks to all for some great suggestions. My budget is tight so I'm only springing for the 500GB from Apple (extra $200) and I currently have a USB 3.5" dock that I'll use until I can come up with a more elegant solution. All good stuff, guys. Thanks a lot.

I'll miss those 4 internal bays, but you've all given me a lot of options to think about.

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I've ordered a new mac. It will be shipping with High Sierra. Can I downgrade to Sierra? If so is it advisable? I've heard there are some issues with HS.

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Re: storage. Has anyone used any of the IcyDock stuff? I was looking at these:

https://icydock.com/goods.php?id=219

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Can you selectively power up individual drives? The thing I like about multiple docks is I can power up the drives for specific projects and leave the others turned off. That would have even a nice feature for the 3,1.
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