NAMM 2017 DPX?
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NAMM 2017 DPX?
So, it's possible. MOTU filled a recent vacant music application software engineer position according to Linkedin.
Since the typical scenario is announcement at NAMM then 4-9 months before the X.0 release, I don't think it's unlikely that we see a preview of DPX, it's been two years since DP9 was announced.
I suppose I'm early for yanking this chain, but what the heck! Personally I mostly hope for improvements to existing features, productivity enhancements etc. The least likely upgrades for any software.
Since the typical scenario is announcement at NAMM then 4-9 months before the X.0 release, I don't think it's unlikely that we see a preview of DPX, it's been two years since DP9 was announced.
I suppose I'm early for yanking this chain, but what the heck! Personally I mostly hope for improvements to existing features, productivity enhancements etc. The least likely upgrades for any software.
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Re: NAMM 2017 DPX?
You and me both. I think most of the hardcore user base of ANY DAW would say that more than anything else they'd wish for an efficient, bullet-proof version of their current software. Reliability is selling point #1 to me. But it isn't glamorous and it doesn't attract the kiddies. Which reminds me how non-plussed I was about the arrival of all those guitar stompbox effects in DP. But hey... to each their own.Michael Canavan wrote:Personally I mostly hope for improvements to existing features, productivity enhancements etc. The least likely upgrades for any software.
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Re: NAMM 2017 DPX?
I would bet the price of a drink that it's a year too early. But what the heck do I know about these things?
Between Windows 10 and the fact that Apple has at least one more OS release in the cycle that began with 10.7 (or 10.8.2 depending on how you count), I hope that we see another DP 9 release before they come to us for another upgrade.
Between Windows 10 and the fact that Apple has at least one more OS release in the cycle that began with 10.7 (or 10.8.2 depending on how you count), I hope that we see another DP 9 release before they come to us for another upgrade.
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Re: NAMM 2017 DPX?
If they just filled the position, I don't see how they'd be ready to announce anything in a month based on that. Also considering which position was being filled...Michael Canavan wrote:So, it's possible. MOTU filled a recent vacant music application software engineer position according to Linkedin.
Since the typical scenario is announcement at NAMM then 4-9 months before the X.0 release, I don't think it's unlikely that we see a preview of DPX, it's been two years since DP9 was announced.
I suppose I'm early for yanking this chain, but what the heck! Personally I mostly hope for improvements to existing features, productivity enhancements etc. The least likely upgrades for any software.
I'd imagine a .x version at best.
Honestly, if they announced a paid update at this point, I would be extremely annoyed.
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I don't know much about it either, but you're probably right.mikehalloran wrote:I would bet the price of a drink that it's a year too early. But what the heck do I know about these things?
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Re: NAMM 2017 DPX?
Anything that they've done for DPX would be in Alpha for a very very long time, longer than that vacancy. I'm not doubting that they might delay DPX because of that position and the problems that creates, but typically MOTU take about 2- 2 1/2 years between version numbers, announcing a new version up to six months before it's released. that's the timeline for DP 9, announced Jan 2015 two years ago.Robert Randolph wrote: If they just filled the position, I don't see how they'd be ready to announce anything in a month based on that. Also considering which position was being filled...
It's very possible that they do announce DPX then take far longer than normal to release it. Also possible they skip announcing it at all. Hopefully we get a bug fix update out of NAMM at least!
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Re: NAMM 2017 DPX?
As someone in the industry, I can tell you how hard it is to find people who are qualified, have the right attitude and work habits, and work well with others.
I'm the last software engineer left locally, after many years of trials that really opened my eyes to how overpaid a profession software engineering is (I took a HUGE pay cut when I left the computer industry for the audio industry).
I imagine MOTU must face similar challenges regarding salary vs. experience vs. qualifications etc. Especially the latter; one needs to be expert in quite a few areas that are already rare on their own, much less together.
It's the same with the plug-in developers, whether here or in Europe. I see the same positions go unfilled for a year or more. It tempts me to apply myself, except I prefer not to go back to primarily working in C++. If I had free time, I'd even offer to help some of those developers out, in the spirit of Open Software.
One also has to remember that one of DP's competitors is practically across the street from them. I don't think that's true of any of the other main DAW's, but a friend at work has friends who work at Ableton and NI and says people bounce back and forth constantly between those and other music tech firms nearby. But now that DP is multi-platform, it may have helped them recruit more easily.
As for DPX, I'm not ready yet myself, unless it's specifically about stability and the like. I'm putting most of my learning curve time on stuff other than core DAW features at the moment, so don't want distractions in that regard. But maybe they'll have to do DPX soon just to stay "relevant" in this attention deficit disorder plagued world.
I'm the last software engineer left locally, after many years of trials that really opened my eyes to how overpaid a profession software engineering is (I took a HUGE pay cut when I left the computer industry for the audio industry).
I imagine MOTU must face similar challenges regarding salary vs. experience vs. qualifications etc. Especially the latter; one needs to be expert in quite a few areas that are already rare on their own, much less together.
It's the same with the plug-in developers, whether here or in Europe. I see the same positions go unfilled for a year or more. It tempts me to apply myself, except I prefer not to go back to primarily working in C++. If I had free time, I'd even offer to help some of those developers out, in the spirit of Open Software.
One also has to remember that one of DP's competitors is practically across the street from them. I don't think that's true of any of the other main DAW's, but a friend at work has friends who work at Ableton and NI and says people bounce back and forth constantly between those and other music tech firms nearby. But now that DP is multi-platform, it may have helped them recruit more easily.
As for DPX, I'm not ready yet myself, unless it's specifically about stability and the like. I'm putting most of my learning curve time on stuff other than core DAW features at the moment, so don't want distractions in that regard. But maybe they'll have to do DPX soon just to stay "relevant" in this attention deficit disorder plagued world.
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Re: NAMM 2017 DPX?
It would be pretty embarrassing for them to release a 10.0 for stability. That' would strictly need to be a .x release.mhschmieder wrote: ...
As for DPX, I'm not ready yet myself, unless it's specifically about stability and the like.
I won't budge from 8 until I have to.
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I just want a mouse that works well under Sierra, but that appears to be primarily an Apple API issue.
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I never say never. The announcement of DP9 took most of us by surprise...well, it took me by surprise, anyway. It wouldn't shock me in the least if MOTU does indeed show DPX at NAMM.
DP 9.12's issues are still primarily with other vendors plugs that haven't "caught up". And that's still the reason I am on 9.02. Maybe I always will be, who knows.
DP 9.12's issues are still primarily with other vendors plugs that haven't "caught up". And that's still the reason I am on 9.02. Maybe I always will be, who knows.
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There definitely are issues that have to do with third-party products, but the idea this is the primary issue is not the case overall. Maybe it is for you though, and that's totally understandable.David Polich wrote: DP 9.12's issues are still primarily with other vendors plugs that haven't "caught up". And that's still the reason I am on 9.02. Maybe I always will be, who knows.
Things like the performance issues reported by many users I've been able to replicate without third-party plug-ins (and confirmed by motu). Then there's issues with nudge, quantize, bundles, editing during playback and more. None of which rely on third-party products even being installed.
On topic though, I don't think it would be surprising if DP 10 came out. The real surprise is if that was the portal to bugfixes and they charged for it. If they aren't charging for it, then something like 9.2 or 9.5 seems more reasonable.
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Ableton, NI and Bitwig are all in the same industrial complex in Berlin. I'm pretty sure Steinberg aren't too far away either, Germany isn't any bigger than Washington state for instance. In the Silicon Valley you have Apple-Logic, Cycling 74 etc. Pro Tools was originally from Mountain View CA and there's still an office there, Avid also is located in MA along with Cakewalk. Just saying it's not surprising really, tech companies tend to recruit from other tech companies.mhschmieder wrote: One also has to remember that one of DP's competitors is practically across the street from them. I don't think that's true of any of the other main DAW's, but a friend at work has friends who work at Ableton and NI and says people bounce back and forth constantly between those and other music tech firms nearby. But now that DP is multi-platform, it may have helped them recruit more easily.
I'm ready for an announcement, since it takes them 6 months to a year to deliver, and they tend to be good about releasing a bug fix update of the current software even if...
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So many armchair experts...
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Until MOTU reps start speaking out here, that's basically what this forum is designed to facilitate though isn't it?MIDI Life Crisis wrote:So many armchair experts...
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Is it? I didn't think speculation was the purpose of the forum, but what do I know. I'm only a moderator...Robert Randolph wrote:Until MOTU reps start speaking out here, that's basically what this forum is designed to facilitate though isn't it?MIDI Life Crisis wrote:So many armchair experts...