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After DP Update PPC G5 won't boot past getting to desktop

Postby wonder » Mon May 28, 2012 3:17 pm

I have a PPC G5 that I'm setting up in another room at my studio for an edit bay.

I'm on OSX 10.4.X.

I was installing the DP 4.12 update on this machine and I went to grab a beer. When I got back, the screen was black and I thought it was just asleep. After waiting minutes, it never could come back to life. I rebooted.


Since reboot ... (after many many tries) it finally got to the point of getting to the desktop. About 2 seconds after moving the mouse, the mouse pointer will go the spinning beach ball of death and n'er return.

I've rebooted about 15 times to no avail. I've tried booting in SAFE MODE, no dice.

I am now installing 10.4 on an alternate drive on the computer and seeing if the computer will boot on the alternate drive.

Any have any pointers on how to possibly fix this issue?

I have unplugged everything from the fw and usb ports during boot up as well...but still the computer seems to get stuck.

The computer was running FINE until the DP update that apparently froze or freaked out during install.
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Re: After DP Update PPC G5 won't boot past getting to deskto

Postby mikehalloran » Mon May 28, 2012 5:32 pm

What are you upgrading DP from?

A quick search of your problem shows many complaints on many sites of DP 4.12 not able to run on OS 10.4.x. I found this from 2006:

"It's currently running 10.4.4. However, I need to run Digital Performer 4.12 on it...and DP4.12 doesn't support Tiger. Only Panther."

I am vaguely remembering that to be true but that was a few years ago now. I do remember 4.61 being a stable release after many that weren't.

DP 5.13 is solid as a rock on 10.4/5/6. It even runs on Lion but must be installed and authorized in OS 10.6 first.
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Re: After DP Update PPC G5 won't boot past getting to deskto

Postby MIDI Life Crisis » Mon May 28, 2012 5:44 pm

I doubt it was DP to blame. If you can boot in Target mode, hook it up to one of your other machines via Firewire, run disk utilities on the G5 boot disk (repair permissions, repair disk, etc) and if that doesn't work, remove all things MOTU and try again.

It could be a bad video card, a loose connection, many other things. It happens.

You might also take the drive out of the G5 and pop it into another machine to eliminate the possibility of a hardware problem.
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Re: After DP Update PPC G5 won't boot past getting to deskto

Postby wonder » Mon May 28, 2012 8:42 pm

I hve installed TIGER on another drive and it's booting up fine.

I am running DISKWARRIOR and attempting to repair the drive and permission ... just trying to get to the bottom of it.

The drive may be going bad because as I'm grabbing necessary files off the cuplrit drive, its acting incredibly odd...like a drive going bad.

I still can't boot on the culprit drive so I'll keep trying to repair with DISKWARRIOR.
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Re: After DP Update PPC G5 won't boot past getting to deskto

Postby mikehalloran » Mon May 28, 2012 9:36 pm

DiskWarrior only repairs directories. Its Permission Repair is the same as Disk Utility.

I usually use Disk Utility first, then DW.
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After DP Update PPC G5 won't boot past getting to desktop

Postby James Steele » Tue May 29, 2012 12:36 am

mikehalloran wrote:DiskWarrior only repairs directories. Its Permission Repair is the same as Disk Utility.

I usually use Disk Utility first, then DW.


I have Disk Warrior. I think there's an option to check and repair files if you look for it? Not at my Mac right now to check.
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Re: After DP Update PPC G5 won't boot past getting to deskto

Postby mikehalloran » Tue May 29, 2012 4:00 am

James Steele wrote:
mikehalloran wrote:DiskWarrior only repairs directories. Its Permission Repair is the same as Disk Utility.

I usually use Disk Utility first, then DW.


I have Disk Warrior. I think there's an option to check and repair files if you look for it? Not at my Mac right now to check.

You can check for damaged files. DW does not repair them. It will fix B-Tree anomolies and header tags as part of the directory rebuild but those are not issues since OS 9.
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Re: After DP Update PPC G5 won't boot past getting to deskto

Postby mikehalloran » Tue May 29, 2012 4:22 am

If DW and DU claim to repair the drive but it still doesn't function, reformat the drive and you are usually ok. Zero All Data to build a new drive map. I have seen this many times and the drive should be ok.

If Disk Utility says it cannot repair the problem, it is probably a bad hard drive or a new bad sector. Reformatting might still work,however.

If a bad sector, use Disk Utility to re-format the drive. Select Zero All Data under Security Options. As it writes the zeros, DU will write a new sector map so that the drive will not write data to these portions of the drive.

If it freezes while reformatting, recycle the drive or return if still under warranty.

I have had Disk Warrior since v.1. Although I use it for maintenance and see all of the drive problems that it fixes, I have never seen it repair a problem drive. Not once, not ever. I mean the drive had a problem, I ran DW and then it worked ok. Disk Utility, yes. TechTool - again, never.

All three are useful as diagnostic tools but only DU actually fixes problems by reformatting drives and remapping bad sectors. I have seen it fix interleaved files, a problem I have not seen since OS 10.3, and repair boot blocks.
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Re: After DP Update PPC G5 won't boot past getting to deskto

Postby wonder » Tue May 29, 2012 9:48 am

I let DW run overnight attempting to Repair Permissions.

I got into studio just now and it was still attempting to repair permissions...albeit there was nothing on the status bar to indicate it had even had any progress.

i have since canceled that and now attempting to rebuild the directory.

Although I'd hate to have to reinstall Logic, DP, PT, and all my plugs and VI's, it looks like that might be the last ditch effort in an attempt to salvage this editing bay computer.
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Re: After DP Update PPC G5 won't boot past getting to deskto

Postby wonder » Wed May 30, 2012 11:03 am

UPDATE:

I have successfully installed 10.5.8 after pulling out what's left of my hair.

I'm on a PPC G5 with 10.5.8. I have DP 7.01 installed from my install disc.

What's the latest version of DP i can run on this PPC machine? Does anyone know?
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Re: After DP Update PPC G5 won't boot past getting to deskto

Postby MIDI Life Crisis » Wed May 30, 2012 11:08 am

7.24 (current version)

Can I have the hair? Never mind, better give it to this guy...

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Re: After DP Update PPC G5 won't boot past getting to deskto

Postby mikehalloran » Wed May 30, 2012 11:51 am

Download the 7.24 updater.

I have had an issue where 7.01 would open certain old projects but 7.24 would not or would crash. If this happens, do a Get Info on your project folder, give all accounts Read and Write access, then check apply to enclosed items. This will fix you right up.
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Re: After DP Update PPC G5 won't boot past getting to deskto

Postby wonder » Thu May 31, 2012 2:21 pm

I DL'd the 7.24 updater. Runs good.

Now, I'm having an issue with my plugins.

I have plugins like Auto-Tune 7 that I bought a while back and other plugs that are failing the examination process. Interestingly enough, the free plugs (like those from IZOTOPE) are passing examination.
I've tried just about everything I know under the sun to get these to pass DP's examination but to no avail.

Any tips on how to get these plugs to pass examination?

It's not an ilok issue ... it's an examination issue ... because even plugs with no iLok on them aren't passing examination.
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After DP Update PPC G5 won't boot past getting to desktop

Postby MIDI Life Crisis » Thu May 31, 2012 2:35 pm

Perhaps a complete app delete and install may be called for - not just applying the update. If a component (like the MAS Audio Unit or a plist) was corrupted but not replaced by the update, that could be cause issues.
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Re: After DP Update PPC G5 won't boot past getting to deskto

Postby wonder » Thu May 31, 2012 2:49 pm

as I'm looking at my LaunchDaemons folder in my Library, I can't delete files nor add them.

When I GET INFO on that LaunchDaemons folder, under the Sharing & Permissions, my name isn't even listed.
All I see are "system", "wheel", and "everyone" under the possible names and privileges they're granted. Is this a problem? I would think that my name, as being the only account/admin holder on this computer should be up there.

I have repaired permissions on this computer a few times.
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