Pro Tools 9 DAE with DP7

[laurence]

Hey guys , i know this is probably premature but wondering if anyone has an inkling as to whether us TDM owners are going to be able to use DP 7xxxas the front end on PT 9 DAE at all... Well, i can hope ..

[williemyers]

Hey guys , i know this is probably premature but wondering if anyone has an inkling as to whether us TDM owners are going to be able to use DP 7xxxas the front end on PT 9 DAE at all... Well, i can hope ..

I'm not sure about PTools 9, but here's some DP/DAE/PTools 8.0.3 info from last year
"Incompatibility of Apple Logic Pro 9 or MOTU Digital Performer Running as a DAE Client with Pro Tools HD 8.0.3 (Item #119902)
Due to unforeseen technical issues, the newly released Pro Tools 8.0.3 software will no longer support Apple Logic Audio or Mark of the Unicorn Digital Performer running in DAE mode. Attempting to play back will result in no audio output. Recording audio in Logic will yield the error “Saving spool file / Entry not in queue. Result code = -1.” Users of both applications can still take advantage of Pro Tools CoreAudio drivers and use the Pro Tools HD system as hardware I/O. Pro Tools 8.0.1 will con- tinue to be made available in its current form to Avid customers who are using Logic Audio or Digital Performer in DAE mode for the foreseeable future."

[mhschmieder]

I think all bets are off when it comes to extrapolating PT9 assumptions from PT8 limitations or promises.

Avid has woken up and smelled the coffee, and given that they are now pushing Euophonix compatibility with DP rather heavily, I think chances are rather heavy that whatever DP's needs are will be met by PT9.

Don't count on it, of course, and "watch this space" when it comes to Avid's news and announcements. Last year may have been the darkest days right before exiting the tunnel.

[1nput0utput]

I think all bets are off when it comes to extrapolating PT9 assumptions from PT8 limitations or promises.

Avid has woken up and smelled the coffee, and given that they are now pushing Euophonix compatibility with DP rather heavily, I think chances are rather heavy that whatever DP's needs are will be met by PT9.

Don't count on it, of course, and "watch this space" when it comes to Avid's news and announcements. Last year may have been the darkest days right before exiting the tunnel.

I think you missed the part where Avid officially announced quite some time ago that DAE support for Logic and Digital Performer was being discontinued…

That's what williemyers was quoting: "Due to unforeseen technical issues, the newly released Pro Tools 8.0.3 software will no longer support Apple Logic Audio or Mark of the Unicorn Digital Performer running in DAE mode."

[mhschmieder]

I think you missed my point, as I am quite aware of that announcement.

As I said, all bets are off regarding the future of PT compatibility based on past and/or current trends.

Avid is switching gears. For those who have the need for DAE support, it pays to keep watching for news and announcements.

[1nput0utput]

It seems unlikely that they would renege on ending DAE support for other programs if for no other reason than the group of users of that feature is extremely small and probably not profitable. Some time ago, when our computers weren't powerful enough to do all the mixing, plug-in processing, and low-latency patch-through for very large projects, there was probably money to be made from people who wanted to use DP or Logic on top of Pro Tools TDM hardware. Now there just isn't.

[mhschmieder]

Could be. We'll see. There've been enough surprises of late, that I'm just not willing to stake a future on any assumptions.

I have not yet needed to support ProTools. There may come a time when I have to. Or even a time when I feel I need more advanced editing capabilities or lower latency, but so far, the advances in DP have satisfied me completely.

It does seem, though, that studios needing both PT and DP or Logic (or even Cubase or Sonar etc.) will more likely take an approach from the other side of the equation now, using non-Avid/M-Audio hardware -- especially when they get to their next upgrade path.

It is interesting though that Avid is simultaneously bumping up the quality and features of their hardware options.

[n2mpujack]

Then again there's the info in this page:

http://www.motu.com/techsupport/technot ... erformer-7" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Undoubtedly this page was written before PT9 dropped but notice that it says 8.0.3 cs1 or later. I'd assume that at least for PT8 this would include everything up to the latest revision of PT8. As to PT9 - you pays your money and takes your chances. Notice that almost everything says that support stops but nothing says that it won't work. The one to ask around here is Tripit - I know he runs both programs together.

[1nput0utput]

Then again there's the info in this page:

http://www.motu.com/techsupport/technot ... erformer-7" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Undoubtedly this page was written before PT9 dropped but notice that it says 8.0.3 cs1 or later. I'd assume that at least for PT8 this would include everything up to the latest revision of PT8. As to PT9 - you pays your money and takes your chances. Notice that almost everything says that support stops but nothing says that it won't work. The one to ask around here is Tripit - I know he runs both programs together.

As far as I know, MOTU is working around some DAE limit in order to make DP's DAE mode work with Pro Tools versions later than 8.0.1. At some point that workaround could simply stop working.

[carrythebanner]

Then again there's the info in this page:
http://www.motu.com/techsupport/technot ... erformer-7" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Undoubtedly this page was written before PT9 dropped but notice that it says 8.0.3 cs1 or later. I'd assume that at least for PT8 this would include everything up to the latest revision of PT8.

The full sentence from that page is:

Pro Tools 8.0 – 8.0.3 is required; Pro Tools 8.0 cs3 or later is recommended.

… which I believe should be read to mean that 8.0 is the minimum, 8.0 cs3 is the recommended minimum, and 8.0.3 is the maximum.

[n2mpujack]

Then again there's the info in this page:
http://www.motu.com/techsupport/technot ... erformer-7" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Undoubtedly this page was written before PT9 dropped but notice that it says 8.0.3 cs1 or later. I'd assume that at least for PT8 this would include everything up to the latest revision of PT8.

The full sentence from that page is:

Pro Tools 8.0 – 8.0.3 is required; Pro Tools 8.0 cs3 or later is recommended.

… which I believe should be read to mean that 8.0 is the minimum, 8.0 cs3 is the recommended minimum, and 8.0.3 is the maximum.

I don't see the latter (8.0.3 as the max). Remember that this page was put up before 8.0.4 was put out by Avid. What would clear things up is if MOTU put a date on the page. Maybe someone should try contacting MOTU in some fashion to get the skinny.

[carrythebanner]

That technote also links to this page, containing a table which explicitly uses the phrase "Maximum DAE version":
Digital Performer DAE mode compatibility

It also says, "As new versions of Pro Tools are released, please check back for compatibility information," which seems to say that newer versions are not officially qualified until MOTU says so.

[carrythebanner]

It also says, "As new versions of Pro Tools are released, please check back for compatibility information," which seems to say that newer versions are not officially qualified until MOTU says so.

That sentence is now gone, replaced by this:

Note: Avid has announced the end of support for DAE mode in third-party applications such as Digital Performer and Logic. Digital Performer 7.22 is anticipated to be the final version of Digital Performer to support the use of DAE as the audio engine. For more information on Avid's announcement, please see this Avid support document.

While Avid is bringing third-party DAE support to a close, they have opened third-party support for their Pro Tools|HD Native system. This allows you to run Digital Performer as a complete software front end for the Pro Tools|HD Native system and its audio interfaces. For more information, please refer to the Digital Performer DAE Guide.

[martian]

the writing has been on the wall for a long time now - but now PT9 is sort of native like DP and Nuendo....

( same price range as Nuendo now - at around 2000US for a "pro" set up - ie loadsa tracks and surround capability, OMF in/out etc )

So DP is still a winner if you prefer to spend your cash on other things...

Personally having been forced to use PT last week in a final mix in another studio - I was missing DP... things like soundbite gain - unless they added it in 9?