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Re: How many folks are using DP Mixerless?

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Tonio wrote:Actually, I was refering to AES (digital) and XLR for analogue connections. I do prefer using XLR connectors for my back side (monitoring).
As I said, it's been so long since I hooked the unit up. I make my own cables so I probably wired TRS 1/4" connectors to the Central Station and XLR to connect to my Event ASP8 monitors. I thought that really the connectors don't make a difference in the sound, yes? TRS is still balanced, just on a different style connector is it not?

Though your testimony of not hearing a difference with the Central Stations remote unit has me baffled. Perhaps I have been reading too much high end gear snobs to the contrary?
Well, I mean it may be that my ears aren't as good as some, or that I was unable to rapidly A/B with remote and without, but honestly I couldn't pick up any appreciable difference. I didn't text it extensively but whatever difference there might be wasn't worth the hassle of constantly adjusting from the front panel for me.
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Re: How many folks are using DP Mixerless?

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Back in the olden days when I had a 24 track Studer and a big Quad 8 desk the size of a football field, I called in on a DP producer friend who had been mixerless for years. It took me all of three seconds to realize how cool his setup was. This guy is musical director, and arranges, programs and produces the music for big theater productions that play around the world - London's West End etc, all from a small (but very well set up) home studio here in Sydney. For each new production he leases 2 new Macs - one for the main machine and the other as a backup machine, and they are totally lean, mean, and devoid of any software that doesn't relate to DP. No word processing, no internet, no nothing.

He was telling me that in all the years he has adhered to this system, he's never once had a crash, or the need to switch to the backup machine during a performance. I went to one of these theater productions recently, and the orchestra sounded amazing - big, brassy, beautiful strings etc., and bigger than Ben Hur. When I went town to take a look in the pit and say hi, there was the usual small rhythm section with a percussionist, 4 horn players, live guitarist and bass player, a pianist, and the Mac handling everything else. The total audio experience was quite stunning, and to my ears, absolutely convincing. I only mention all this to highlight the fact that while a glitzy mixing desk might invoke the feeling of the good old days, and make us go all warm and fuzzy, with the production tools DP has to offer, a mixing console is no longer a necessity in the real world of professional audio production. IMHO.

BTW, since I switched to a mixerless regime I've never looked back. Love it. And what's more, I've been able to make good use of the real estate previously occupied by the Studer and the Quad 8 raising a fine herd of wildebeest. :)

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I use the hardware mixer to get the rough balance and to send audio to the AD unit and the computer, also to send to the headphone distribution unit. I can fold back from DP to the board and headphones or go out of the board and use a hardware reverb for vocals. I have a total of 32 channels of mixers and I use them all, my 2408 has only 8 INS. My outs go to a stereo out mirrored as a fold-back to the mixer and also a surround mix for the other 6 out puts. I use the mixer to run the PA system, too. I do not see myself going with out a hardware mixer. I do all the final mixing in DP all though.
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RME's TotalMix (their no-latency DSP Mixer, like CueMix) is what freed me from the beast.

Once in awhile there are certain mixes that I would just rather do on a console so I can move faster and feel the moves better.

I thought I would hate mixing with a mouse/trackball, but I actually don't mind it. I would like to get an AlphaTrack though.
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twistedtom wrote:I use the hardware mixer to get the rough balance and to send audio to the AD unit and the computer, also to send to the headphone distribution unit. I can fold back from DP to the board and headphones or go out of the board and use a hardware reverb for vocals. I have a total of 32 channels of mixers and I use them all, my 2408 has only 8 INS. My outs go to a stereo out mirrored as a fold-back to the mixer and also a surround mix for the other 6 out puts. I use the mixer to run the PA system, too. I do not see myself going with out a hardware mixer. I do all the final mixing in DP all though.
This is my dilemma.
My old board is on its last days.
scratchy faders/pots.
I've thought about replacing the board but the more I think about it mixerless makes sense.
There are allot of pros to being modular.
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wylie1 wrote: This is my dilemma.
My old board is on its last days.
scratchy faders/pots.
I've thought about replacing the board but the more I think about it mixerless makes sense.
There are allot of pros to being modular.
Well, I'm giving it a shot next week...ordered the PreSonus Central Station (and the remote) for monitor levels and headphone sends.
Thanks to Tim, through CueMix, I can now access the external 'verbs for live recording...not printed.
Trying to block diagram the studio and figure out the physical reconfiguration to reclaim about 40 sq. ft.

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Re: How many folks are using DP Mixerless?

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James Steele wrote:
Tonio wrote:Actually, I was refering to AES (digital) and XLR for analogue connections. I do prefer using XLR connectors for my back side (monitoring).
As I said, it's been so long since I hooked the unit up. I make my own cables so I probably wired TRS 1/4" connectors to the Central Station and XLR to connect to my Event ASP8 monitors. I thought that really the connectors don't make a difference in the sound, yes? TRS is still balanced, just on a different style connector is it not?

Though your testimony of not hearing a difference with the Central Stations remote unit has me baffled. Perhaps I have been reading too much high end gear snobs to the contrary?
Well, I mean it may be that my ears aren't as good as some, or that I was unable to rapidly A/B with remote and without, but honestly I couldn't pick up any appreciable difference. I didn't text it extensively but whatever difference there might be wasn't worth the hassle of constantly adjusting from the front panel for me.
Yeah, using a xlr-trs cable should do the trick. It shouldn't make any difference in sound. Rolling my own cables should help the budget, as I would just need to change the connectors on one end.

I'm sure the CS would better than my M-patch2 that I'm using now, and would have additional i/o's to boot !

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SixStringGeek wrote:
buzzsmith wrote:(any other users care to comment on Big Knob?)
I have one. I like it. I have 828 mkII, Mackie MCU faders, big knob for monitor switching/volume control. Love it. Makes jumping among references while mixing really easy.
I use the Big Knob as well, and I really like it. I don't find it to be noisy. (My main monitors are Genelec 1031A nearfields, and they are really good at reproducing noisy sources :) ) I have outboard hardware mixers to submix keyboards and hardware synths (a few places around the room), and each of those mixers feeds a stereo input on the 828mk3. I have the 828mk3 Main Output going into "DAW Mix" on the Big Knob, and then I have outputs from two of the hardware submixers going into "2-Track A" and "2-Track B". This way I can monitor the hardware synths without going through the computer.

For tracking with mics, I use CueMix without any external mixer. The Big Knob gives me talkbalk and headphone control -- it's set up really well for that.

When I play live I am completely mixerless, and CueMix is the key to that for me. I use 5-6 keyboards + a few modules live, and I use another 828mk3 to mix all of that. CueMix allows me to create several mixes for FOH, my own in-ear monitors, sends to other musicians, etc. CueMix was hard to grok at first, but I forced myself to get into it and am really happy I did. :)

I used to use a big Trident console as the center of my studio. I don't miss it at all. Friends of mine use various control surfaces, and I'll use them when they're available, but left to my own devices I'm perfectly happy working with just the mouse. I actually pulled together a quick mix the other day on a friend's Control 24 in PT, and I was surprised to find the whole experience a little awkward. I guess I've adapted!

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I´m mixerless.
I´m using a Bigknob, and even that I wanna loose, it´s not noisy, but it´s not a calibrated room...that´s what I want, presets for cinema, music, broadcast and internet media in RME totalmix, or MOTU cuemix. Switch from one to the other, and never touch the volume while mixing...Big knob has come very handy here, but I feel it´s unnecesary now for me, and doubles the audio cables I need to hook everything up.
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James Steele wrote:
Tonio wrote:Actually, I was refering to AES (digital) and XLR for analogue connections. I do prefer using XLR connectors for my back side (monitoring).
As I said, it's been so long since I hooked the unit up. I make my own cables so I probably wired TRS 1/4" connectors to the Central Station and XLR to connect to my Event ASP8 monitors. I thought that really the connectors don't make a difference in the sound, yes? TRS is still balanced, just on a different style connector is it not?
That is right TRS and XLR are both the same levels and balanced just a different connector, TRS are just space saving plug ins and can be set up for non-balanced inputs as well.
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Yeah... I knew that, but sometimes to be polite I make declaratives questions. :D
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A question for someone using the BigKnob.
Can you select more than one source at a time?
I don't think you can with the Central Station.
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wylie1 wrote:A question for someone using the BigKnob.
Can you select more than one source at a time?
Yes you can, all the ones at the top left.
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Thanx
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I have been mixerless since 2005. I sold my Mackie 1604 VLZ Pro and my Alesis HD24 that I was using for remote recording and never looked back. Using DP on a Powerbook and a G5 and have been working in the box exclusively in DP.

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