FIX THE MIDI NOW!!!

[melodesiac420]

lol.

1.2 GHz G4, MTP AV (usb), Roland JP-8000, e-mu Proteus 2000, Yamaha O3D, Stylus RMX, M-Audio Firewire Solo

My gear is useless right now.

I record as a hobby, and when I can't record it means I have to spend more "quality time" with my girlfriend watching home-makovers and cooking shows on TV.

Motu.... If your anywhere out there, we need you.... we really need you..

SHIDI MIDI in Dallas.

<small>[ April 26, 2005, 05:39 PM: Message edited by: James Steele ]</small>

[midiot]

I feel tender moments here, I do have the same issue with the wife ••œYou••™re the boss tell them your taking a day off, I••™ll play hooky too••Â

[dix]

Ok, I keep seeing these MIDI-problem threads, but I have to admit this is the first one I clicked on. Guess the provocative title line worked. ...What precisely is the problem w MIDI? I've been working extensively w DP 4.5/2 since it was released and have had zero issues? No stuck notes, no sync issues, nothing. What's the hubbub about?

[melodesiac420]

Originally posted by dix:
..What precisely is the problem w MIDI?

For me personally, everytime I record enable a MIDI track and play a MIDI device with my controller (JP-8000) I have notes hanging up and notes just not triggering at all. If I record, it records all the errors and missed notes. It does this constantly, making it impossible to use MIDI productively, thus taking energy away from the creative flow and making recording a miserable experience. I remember the good 'ol days of OS9 DP 3.xx and flawless MIDI. Yip.... *wipes tear from eye* Those were the good 'ol days.

I never thought I would need a punching bag in the studio. lol.

melodesiac

[pounce]

i am a professional and have learned that doing this for a living requires a sense of humor. and means that sometimes i'll hear people use adult language and know that i shouldn't get underwear in a knot over it. or perhaps that i can skip over posts that i don't like without getting on peoples asses typing long winded placative posts about how threads should be deleted or that god doesn't approve of the thread (hilarious).

how about even -one- attempt to help with the MIDI since this thread is filled to the brim with self professed professionals.

i suppose a variety of other things would need to be asked - which os and which drivers are being used? are you using a usb hub? is the hub powered or passive? etc. have you tried a different usb cable? standard troubleshooting type stuff.

[melodesiac420]

Originally posted by pounce:


i suppose a variety of other things would need to be asked - which os and which drivers are being used? are you using a usb hub? is the hub powered or passive? etc. have you tried a different usb cable? standard troubleshooting type stuff.

I'm using OSX 10.3.8 w/NO USB HUB. One of my friends is using DP 4.5 with OSX 10.5 (with and Express XT as opposed to a MTP AV) with no USB hub as well, and is having no problems with his MIDI.

????

[chrispick]

Originally posted by melodesiac420:

Originally posted by chrispick:
Switch to MIDI via firewire. At least give it a try.

Unfortunately, the only firewire port I have is used by my audio interface.

No, I'm suggesting you switch to a firewire audio interface that also has MIDI i/o. Like I said, try it out. You can always take it back if it doesn't do the deed.

As for the rest: Nice bait, middle-schooler.

Good luck with that.

<small>[ April 23, 2005, 01:09 PM: Message edited by: chrispick ]</small>

[David Jones]

Done a clean install of system software?
Double checked audio devices/MIDI devices setup controller settings in utilities folder?
Replaced the MIDI controller with a different unit to remove it from the equation?
hooked up a MIDI test unit downstream to check for errors?
MIDI utility on computer to test for errors received?
Checked MIDI loop through to determine where the errors are being introduced?
Do you have any iSight software on the computer?

The point in my last post was not to try and piss you off,
it was to point out that it is most likely something simple in the equation that is causing the problems.

I might also let you know that IMHO,
if you get pissy with the people that are trying to help you,
you will more than likely be spending a lot of quality time with your girlfriend.

Good Luck with your problem!

[newrigel]

I'm just a metal singer and I sequence all my material... but it's VERY strait-forward so to speak, but if there's ANY anomilies with this software, I feel paying customers have the RIGHT to address it, with professionalism in mind and, however an induvidual expresses his/her thoughts is fine with me....

I've really never noticed any MIDI problem because I'm just doing mean time compositions but still... I feel your pain! Could you please allaborate just a little to educate others on the anomilies you're experiencing? We'd love to learn what problems we can look out for in this forum....

Thanks!

<small>[ April 23, 2005, 05:00 PM: Message edited by: newrigel ]</small>

[kgdrum]

Hilarious! Jerry Falwells minions various attempts to suggest proper language here lol,i just solved a long running problem w/ my system i blamed on DP or MIDI and i think it was hardware based,............ dual1 gig 896 1.5 gig ram tc powercore waves gold(dp3),10.000rpm scsi drive, sounded great but i couldnt get more than a few tracks without bugginess,now i use 4.52 (10.38) ni and ik synths(no more waves)this system still sucked until............ i recently installed an additional fw buss ,added a 7200 drive,added an additional usb bus(dont trust hubs)added another 7200drive for samples(ata)and turned off the scsi(still dont know if it is a drive problem .a card problem.or bad cable.......anyway some of my problems were trying to learn mac &dp at the same time(most of us are musicians learning technology)But alot of the crashs and limitations i had were HARDWARE RELATED and it might be all the variables in our systems are as much at fault as our lack of knowledge,new technology is new,and to expect it to work right in every combination with all the potential conflicts is wishful thinking.

[moonwalker]

I use MIDI with 2 different controllers with 4.5 trouble free with MIDI. Have you tried a different controller to rule that out? Go to DP preferences and "MIDI solo and patch thru" and check what is enabled, maybe its some kind of MIDI loop problem. Play with those settings there. Your bound to figure it out. I do'nt see how it could be DP's fault if its working for most of us.

Cheers

[robMartin]

I've had no problems with MIDI on 4.5.2/OSX10.3.x.

That said, what I'd do is run MIDI Monitor (Kurt Revis' amazing freeware at: [url=http://www.snoize.com),]http://www.snoize.com),[/url] and spy on what DP is doing with the MIDI. Are the destinations ok? are the channels correct? Is the MIDI stream full of clock or other real-time msgs? etc etc. It might give you something to work with.

[melodesiac420]

Originally posted by mountebank:
That said, what I'd do is run MIDI Monitor (Kurt Revis' amazing freeware at: [url=http://www.snoize.com),]http://www.snoize.com),[/url] and spy on what DP is doing with the MIDI. Are the destinations ok? are the channels correct? Is the MIDI stream full of clock or other real-time msgs? etc etc. It might give you something to work with.

Thanks for the link to the cool freeware. Much appreciated.

Well, what's happening is somehow it's just missing note on or note off velocity triggers. . For example, this is what I'm getting when it fires off correcly playing an "F" on the controller....

16:14:46.287 From Port 1 Note On 1 F2 106
16:14:46.331 To Port 2 Note On 1 F2 106
16:14:46.529 From Port 1 Note Off 1 F2 74
16:14:46.574 To Port 2 Note Off 1 F2 74

Other times when it's not getting the OFF velocity trigger it looks like this...

16:14:46.287 From Port 1 Note On 1 F2 106
16:14:46.331 To Port 2 Note On 1 F2 106

And, of course, sometimes it's missing missing the ON velocity trigger.

I've used my JP-8000 as my controller for years, I know it as well as any peice of gear in my studio and unfortunately, I don't have another controller. I may borrow a friends for a day or two to see if I can make it work somehow.

I'm not getting any random things showing up at all on the monitor. Any ideas/suggestions.

Thanks again for the link to the freeware, everyone should check it out.

Melodesiac 420.

<small>[ April 25, 2005, 03:22 PM: Message edited by: melodesiac420 ]</small>

[Saintmatthew]

melodesiac420.....what is you're MIDI going from your controller into your computer through or is it a direct connect?

Also, last time I checked, whether or not you got paid for what you do made you a professional, not your stance on what and what is not obscene (opinions vary). I see the word "god" everyday, and I am offended, yet respect people's freedom to say it. Why should others be exclud

[James Steele]

Hey all... remember me? Yeah, been a little bit busy, but let's try and keep things on topic. To the original poster, there are a good many professionals and knowledgable amateurs alike willing to help with suggestions if you give them more information.

Not everyone shares the same sense of humor and actually at a certain level the subject of the thread bothers me as well, considering that the use of symbols in the words is a technicality. When I read "M@THERF*CKERS!" it's easy to fill in the gaps and you might as well have written the whole word out? I'm no prude, but I don't think people need to come to UnicorNation and encounter subject headers like this. Also, who are you calling this? MOTU employees? Nice for them to come here and see this sort of thing... kidding or not.

It's really quite disappointing. Look around our society at large. Is there anything positive about the coarsening of our language and culture? Okay... whatever... now I'm straying off topic. I'm altering the subject header of this post. Hopefully you can find a resolution to your problem. Did you mention your interface? If it's an MTP/USB do you have the most current USB controller chip and ROM updates?