motif and D. performer

[dannypassenger]

hi
I cant figure out how to syncronize my motif 6 rack with the digital performer. Im trying to change the voices in the computer , and not have to change them in the rack. I am also trying to figure out how to save the voices when I close the file.

thanks,.

[msmith92]

you might want to ask here:
http://www.motifator.com

[monkey man]

hi
I cant figure out how to syncronize my motif 6 rack with the digital performer. Im trying to change the voices in the computer , and not have to change them in the rack.

Hey, dannypassenger
You could use this app to cusomize your patch-lists, if you don't have any.

http://www.hitsquad.com/smm/programs/CherryPicker/

MIDI programme changes are your friend here.
The "default patch" column will send patch-change data whenever you briefly rewind or RTZ.
The "normal"patch colum is just a convenient way to browse your patches.
The idea is that when you find what you're after, you select it in the "default" column to make it "permanent".

I am also trying to figure out how to save the voices when I close the file.
thanks,.

You could use a dedicated librarian such as MOTU's Unisyn.
All saves would then be automatically updated in DP.

Another obvious method would be to record your tweaks as sysex dumps into DP.
Then a set of tracks (in a folder?) can be used to play the data back for quick set-up.
These tracks could alternatively be kept in their own "Sequence Sysex" chunk.
That way there's no risk of inadvertantly losing edits mid-project.

Hope this helps, dannypassenger.
M

[dannypassenger]

i meant selecting a voice in digital performer so it will select it as well in the motif rack...

im really lost here.. where can i find info on how to set everything up? So far ive only installed the drivers, hooked up the motif with a USB cable and can play one voice at a time in DG. The voice seems to be ramdom, and not choosen by me.

if anyone could give eme a website to start with i would apreciate it.

thanks.

[Dwetmaster]

Go to digicake.com for the .midnam file for the motif Rack

Motif Rack ES
or
Motif Rack

then put it in library/audio/MIDI Device/MOTU/Yamaha

[monkey man]

Hey, Danny
Just responding to your Email, mate:

hi
You tried to help me in a digital performer forum, and I have some questionss.
Im using a motif rack with digital performer,, i dont really know how to set it up.
So far I can hear what I record in a channel.
My question was how do I select in digital performer the voice so that it will be selected in the motif at the same time?
thanks!

Just to clarify for you:

Go to digicake.com for the .midnam file for the motif Rack
Motif Rack ES
or
Motif Rack
then put it in library/audio/MIDI Device/MOTU/Yamaha

Good advice, this.
You see, the app I told you about, Cherry Picker, lets you type your sound-lists (patches on your synth) in, and it saves them as .midname files.
This is the OSX Core MIDI patch-list format.
You end up with a .midnam file that DP and other core MIDI apps can understand.

Dwet's just saying you can get that list "already done" by someone else.
Of course, if you change the sounds or names on your Motif, you'll have to modify the lists yourself so DP knows.
In this case, Cherry Picker is the easiest option I know of.

It might be an idea to just use the default user preset banks in the Motif for now.
That way you know the .midname files on Dwet pointed to on the 'net will work.
When you've chosen your sounds and maybe edited them (on the Motif), be sure to record a sysex dump of the (now) edited multiset.
Look in your Motif manual for "system exclusive dump" and follow the instructions for sending the data to DP.
"Dump" just means "send".
You press a button (usually "enter" on most synths) and the dump begins.
You first select your MIDI input on a DP track (say, Motif channel 1), and put that track into "rec" mode.
The MIDI channel doesn't matter here, as sysex data isn't transmitted on "channels".
It's what they call "channel independant" data.

Danny, don't panic. We've all been there, mate.
Once you learn this stuff, there'll be less head-scratchin' and more fun to be had.
Let's keep this here; more heads are better than, well, less heads!
I've told you all I can for now. If I think of anything else I'll post it here.

You might want to re-read this thread, especially my comments about the "patch" and "default patch" columns.
Also, please don't be intimidated by the forum.
If it takes 30 pages of posts to get this sorted, that's fine.
You never know how many people will be helped by the exchange.

Hang in there.
Monkey

[dannypassenger]

wow thank u so much, its working now. ..

but my next problem is that I can only hear thing that I record on output motif rack 1,,the other tracks ( 234 etc) wont work.

?

[monkey man]

Hey, Danny

Two obvious possibilities here.

1) Do you see a list of 16 channel-choices when you click the output column in DP?
If not, you may need to modify the Motif's settings in Audio MIDI setup.
Here you can make sure all 16 MIDI channels are active.
Just double-click on the Motif icon, and mac your way through. (Point and click).

2) Your Motif isn't in "multi" mode.
I don't have a Motif, but most synths have two basic sound-generation modes.
One, usually called "patch mode", only allows one sound at a time.
The other, widely known as "multi mode", allows the synth to generate sounds on all its available channels at once.
For some synths this can be 32 channels (they have 2 MIDI ins), but for most, including your Motif, its the 16 carried down a single cable.
Given this scenario, check out your Motif manual for guidance on choosing modes.
This critical info is often included in the "quick start/getting started" guide, should there be one, or the first few chapters of the manual.

Dang, that'd be the ol' 4:00 AM dinner call.
Doh, it's only the call to cook, not to eat (yet!).
Sorry, Danny, I'll have to run now.
Unicorns on the other side of the earth will probably help out soon (I think they're awake now, unless they sleep right in!).
I'll check back in 24. Keep trying; you'll get there.

Cheers
M

[dannypassenger]

hey
thanks again

the motif is in multi mode, i dont think that is the problem.

I tried the audio MIDI setup,, cliked on the motif icon, and it lists 1- 8 ports,, but only the first one has the 1 input option. all the others have 0 inputs, and 1 output....

I am connecting the motif with a USB directly to the computer,,, could this be the problem? should I use MIDI cables thru my M box 2?

thanks.....

[Dwetmaster]

I tried the audio MIDI setup,, cliked on the motif icon, and it lists 1- 8 ports,, but only the first one has the 1 input option. all the others have 0 inputs, and 1 output....

But if you go and edit it manually to make them all 1In 1Out doesn't it work? Make sure that you have the good & latest driver for your Motif Rack.

I am connecting the motif with a USB directly to the computer,,, could this be the problem? should I use MIDI cables thru my M box 2?

I honestly don't think so. My Motif ES7 is hooked up to my Mac Keyboard's USB port and it works perfectly. If it still doesn't work, maybe motifator.com might have some valuable knowledge.

[monkey man]

Thank you for chiming-in, Dwetster.

Never used USB for MIDI other than with the Epress XT USB.
I'd go the cables if I could, as you wouldn't need to worry about drivers.
Might be worth a try as a last resort at least.

Danny, I've nothing more on this matter for you, I'm afraid.
Glad some progress has been made.
I'll keep an eye on the thread in case there's something more I can do.

Good luck
M