Why does 32 Lives use over 30 GB of "Application Memory"?

[mhschmieder]

Yikes, what does this app do?

I downloaded a demo of V2.0, and it crashed/froze my computer multiple times, potentially destroying my SSD as it pushed it to 0 bytes of available space even though I have almost 50 GB still free!

It freezes, saying I am out of Application Memory (not sure why it can't use my 32 GB of RAM for anything, or my scratch disc).

So much for trying/buying this app and resurrecting Eiosis ELS Vocoder.

I should have stuck with my trial of the old version -- I ran it earlier tonight to identify which plugs are still 32-bit, but didn't use it to generate the wrappers, unfortunately. Now I'm stuck.

[nk_e]

Wow. That is bizarre. I run 32Lives (v 1 and now 2) with no problems whatsoever. I ve resurrected several old AUs and VSTs and they run like a charm. Not sure what is happening there....

[mikehalloran]

v.1 and the 2.0 beta don't misbehave like that. I've not downloaded the 2.0 release upgrade. A task for tomorrow when I have some time.

[billf]

v2 works fine for me. It's using 38.9 MB of application memory.

[James Steele]

v.1 and the 2.0 beta don't misbehave like that. I've not downloaded the 2.0 release upgrade. A task for tomorrow when I have some time.

I had an issue with Altiverb 6 and the 2.0 release version where loading a project with an instance of Altiverb 6 crashes DP 9. The 2.0 beta version doesn't have this issue. Sound Radix is aware of this and are working on fixing it.

[mhschmieder]

Maybe I'll give this a bit of a wait then -- the sale price will probably return at some point soon, as almost everyone has frequent sales anymore.

I've been trying to wrap up a couple of albums that have vocoder work, where original tracking was with Eiosis ELS Vocoder, but then I made some arrangement changes that required re-running the vocoder on the carrier and modulator tracks, so experimented with many other vocoders and finally settled on the Xils-Lab EMS 5000, but even though it is quite good, it isn't at the level of Fabrice Gabriel's vocoder emulation of the EMS series in terms of articulateness and tracking.

[Gravity Jim]

A memory leak? I had my first-ever OSX weirdness two days ago, when a background routine leaked and gobbled up 20GB of RAM. Hasn't come back....

[mhschmieder]

I had to suffer quite a few computer freeze-ups and hard boots to get through this, but get through it I did, and now I'm about to give the wrappers a try -- although I don't quite understand what I should expect as there surely must be some crippling involved for the demo product?

Anyway, what I did finally, was move all VST's to an external drive, so that 32 Lives wouldn't search for them. This cleared up the memory leaks and crashes, so that I was able to then "resurrect" my 32-bit AU's (I don't care about my 32-bit VST's anyway), then I could move the VST's back.

[James Steele]

Anyway, what I did finally, was move all VST's to an external drive, so that 32 Lives wouldn't search for them. This cleared up the memory leaks and crashes, so that I was able to then "resurrect" my 32-bit AU's (I don't care about my 32-bit VST's anyway), then I could move the VST's back.

I think perhaps it might be worth it to write to Sound Radix and maybe have an option in the preferences for the 32 Lives app such that upon launch it will scan for only AU's, only VST's, or both as is the default. It is a minor annoyance to me that it takes time on every launch to scan my VSTs which I have no intention of wrapping.

[mhschmieder]

Quick status update after another hour of wasting time on tech issues instead of making music.

It crashed DP upon launch, after a lengthy AU validation cycle.

I'll give it another try, but as to the demo vs. license issue, a notice did go up that settings won't be saved in the wrapped presets and sound will be interrupted with noise.

Fully understandable, except it may prevent me from evaluating properly -- especially on something like a vocoder. We'll see.

[mhschmieder]

Amongst other crimes, 32 Lives trashed my Audio MIDI Setup so that none of my synths or controllers are seen anymore, causing DAW projects to throw up a lot of error messages and unwanted reassignments to built-in MIDI.

Now I have to waste time going to Time Machine to find an old Audio MIDI Setup file, after first doing a web search to remind myself what it's called and where it's located.

This seems like VERY dangerous software. It will be interesting to see if Eiosis ELS Vocoder -- which has a sidechain -- can work using the wrappers, but otherwise I am definitely not going to bother purchasing the product as I long ago found alternatives to my 32-bit-only plug-ins and VI's except for the ones from Eiosis.

[mhschmieder]

The Audio MIDI Setup MIDI Configuration file is suffixed ".mcfg" and found under your user name account on the Mac, in "./Library/Audio/MIDI Configurations".

The next trick was to properly restore an earlier version, as I kept clicking on "behind" windows in Time Machine, not realizing that just refreshes what you already see and is just a "Time is the Fourth Dimension" decoration so to speak.

I hadn't had to use Time Machine since upgrading to El Capitan a few months back. It is quite different now. The rather fuzzy and unmarked arrow keys to the right are the ones to use to actually go to a different snapshot. But at least it stays in the same directory, at the file you are looking at.

After replacing from Time Machine, one has to reboot (rather than simply restart Audio MIDI Setup) for your devices to be seen again.

I next had the joy of it taking several reboots before my 6TB library drive could be seen -- an ongoing problem with El Capitan.

This has taken half my day so far. It better have been worth it!

[James Steele]

Wow... sorry to hear you're having so many issues. 32 Lives has been really trouble free for me except for the Altiverb 6 incompatibility.

[mhschmieder]

Well, it looks like I'm going to have to splurge on 32 Lives in spite of its flaws, as the articulateness of Eiosis ELS Vocoder far surpasses that of Xils-Lab 5000, even at the same settings.

The Xils-Lab product is quite good, and easily the second-best vocoder out there, as well as being the best one available in 64-bits.

Hopefully it will continue to improve. Good developer, and he really works hard to continue to push forward rather than being an ego case (I won't name a few vendors who fall into that category).

The XIls-Lab product has a few more features than the one from Eiosis, and I feel it does the straight no-tone robot voice a bit better overall, but that's not usually what I'm going for.

[James Steele]

I just received an email from Nir at Sound Radix with a link to 32 Lives 2.0.1 and the Altiverb 6 problem is fixed. Hopefully they'll push out 2.0.1 to the public soon.