I HATE CueMix
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- buzzsmith
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I HATE CueMix
I hate its unpredictable behavior and its non-intuitive interface.
All that I'm trying to do is send a signal to an external Lexicon reverb for tracking 'verb while recording. I don't record the 'verb, just giving the players a touch in their cans.
It was all working fine the day before, but yesterday I could not figure out why I couldn't give the steel guitar player any monitor reverb.
I need to figure out another way to do this!!
Buzzy
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All that I'm trying to do is send a signal to an external Lexicon reverb for tracking 'verb while recording. I don't record the 'verb, just giving the players a touch in their cans.
It was all working fine the day before, but yesterday I could not figure out why I couldn't give the steel guitar player any monitor reverb.
I need to figure out another way to do this!!
Buzzy
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Re: I HATE CueMix
I gave up on CueMix years ago. I guess it hasn't gotten any better, ehh?
I use a hardware mixer for zero latency monitoring. An inexpensive mixer is all I need because it is just for monitors and is not part of the recording signal chain. After getting used to this set-up I'll never look back.
Phil
I use a hardware mixer for zero latency monitoring. An inexpensive mixer is all I need because it is just for monitors and is not part of the recording signal chain. After getting used to this set-up I'll never look back.
Phil
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- MIDI Life Crisis
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Re: I HATE CueMix
It's so bad it's now a reason to move to Alberta!
Seriously, I used Cue Mix to set levels, mutes, etc. on my Track 16, but not much else.
Seriously, I used Cue Mix to set levels, mutes, etc. on my Track 16, but not much else.
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Re: I HATE CueMix
Looks like we're under attack.
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Also looks like James is already all over those damn spammers! Whew!
- mikehalloran
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Re: I HATE CueMix
I rarely use it.
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- HCMarkus
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Re: I HATE CueMix
Gosh Buzz. I've been doing exactly this, session after session with a Lexicon 'verb, for years and it always works for me…buzzsmith wrote:I hate its unpredictable behavior and its non-intuitive interface.
All that I'm trying to do is send a signal to an external Lexicon reverb for tracking 'verb while recording. I don't record the 'verb, just giving the players a touch in their cans.
I won't patronize you with a description of how to set it up. I'll just note that both send and receive need to be unmuted and faders raised.
Re: I HATE CueMix
Hate is such a strong word.
I never been able to wrap my head around it however thanks to some guidance from a tread here somewhere I was able to setup the built in reverb on the 828 for tracking/monitoring only and it works good.
I do miss my mixer once in a while though.
I never been able to wrap my head around it however thanks to some guidance from a tread here somewhere I was able to setup the built in reverb on the 828 for tracking/monitoring only and it works good.
I do miss my mixer once in a while though.
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- buzzsmith
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Re: I HATE CueMix
Me, too, except it's not reliable day to day. Somedays, it's just fine...others not so much. And I'm not changing anything.HCMarkus wrote: Gosh Buzz. I've been doing exactly this, session after session with a Lexicon 'verb, for years and it always works for me…
I won't patronize you with a description of how to set it up. I'll just note that both send and receive need to be unmuted and faders raised.
I also wish there was a re-callable configuration. Looks like one can save one, but "recalling" doesn't seem to work.
Buzzy
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- Shooshie
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Re: I HATE CueMix
I've spent some time making some posts about CueMix here, trying to figure things out, looking for others' experiences along the way. Not many people even attempt to add anything to my meandering searches for something consistent. The darn thing just doesn't work right.
I say that with a certain degree of confidence. I still have CueMix on my PCI-424 boxes, and it works as it should there. There are menus where you expect them to be, and they work. It just doesn't have all the features that the new versions have.
SO, going from my 1296, where CueMix always works properly, to my 896mk3, is an exercise in insanity. I end up cursing and spending hours doing what should have taken about as long as pulling down a menu.
I wish MOTU would fix it. It's a GREAT idea. It just sucks in the implementation.
Shooshie
I say that with a certain degree of confidence. I still have CueMix on my PCI-424 boxes, and it works as it should there. There are menus where you expect them to be, and they work. It just doesn't have all the features that the new versions have.
SO, going from my 1296, where CueMix always works properly, to my 896mk3, is an exercise in insanity. I end up cursing and spending hours doing what should have taken about as long as pulling down a menu.
I wish MOTU would fix it. It's a GREAT idea. It just sucks in the implementation.
Shooshie
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What's with the temp ads today?
Anyway, Cue Mix is working on the T16. I'd like more control but for basic level setting it works.
Anyway, Cue Mix is working on the T16. I'd like more control but for basic level setting it works.
Re: I HATE CueMix
I guess I'm missing all the "fun". It's working great for me, albeit, version 1.6 and my 828MkII
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- Shooshie
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Re: I HATE CueMix
Well, it depends on what you want to do with it. For example, if you try to set up a talk/listen mic, lots of luck. If you succeed, please tell me how you did it. Where there should be a menu or something to choose easily the destination or source, it just doesn't exist. However, for the old legacy MOTU 1296 it's a simple matter. Just pull down the menu, and you set the source and destination channels. Not a problem. But on the 896mk3, I cannot set it up, and I spent days working on it, posting an entire thread here, mostly talking to myself.
http://www.motunation.com/forum/viewtop ... 07#p514464
I've gotten more proficient at setting up headphone mixes in different channels and sorting out what gets monitored, but the current version is NOTHING like using the old versions. They were not easy to figure out, either, but eventually you grasped how they were working, and from then on you were hitting home-runs. I'll be damned if I can explain to you the way CueMix works on the 896mk3, latest versions. Oh, I read it in the manual, and it makes perfect sense, but getting it to work in reality is another story.
However, I'll say this: I DID figure out some tricks to it at one point, and some things got easier. But that talkback mic? I never got it working completely, and ended up using a regular channel for it, having to reach for CueMix and turning it off and on with a mouse click. (Makes for big delays when recording, and the artist is wondering what you're doing, so you finally get the button clicked and you can tell them what's up.)
Even that: turning the channel on and off with a mouse-click. Why isn't that doable with a pedal?
Seriously, the talkback mic thing is screwed up. You THINK you've got it figured out, but then you try it and it goes ballistic on you, playing back on all channels and feeding back, or something like that. I forget now exactly what it did, but it's in my thread about it, linked above. You can read it if you want.
Shooshie
http://www.motunation.com/forum/viewtop ... 07#p514464
I've gotten more proficient at setting up headphone mixes in different channels and sorting out what gets monitored, but the current version is NOTHING like using the old versions. They were not easy to figure out, either, but eventually you grasped how they were working, and from then on you were hitting home-runs. I'll be damned if I can explain to you the way CueMix works on the 896mk3, latest versions. Oh, I read it in the manual, and it makes perfect sense, but getting it to work in reality is another story.
However, I'll say this: I DID figure out some tricks to it at one point, and some things got easier. But that talkback mic? I never got it working completely, and ended up using a regular channel for it, having to reach for CueMix and turning it off and on with a mouse click. (Makes for big delays when recording, and the artist is wondering what you're doing, so you finally get the button clicked and you can tell them what's up.)
Even that: turning the channel on and off with a mouse-click. Why isn't that doable with a pedal?
Seriously, the talkback mic thing is screwed up. You THINK you've got it figured out, but then you try it and it goes ballistic on you, playing back on all channels and feeding back, or something like that. I forget now exactly what it did, but it's in my thread about it, linked above. You can read it if you want.
Shooshie
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- Gravity Jim
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Re: I HATE CueMix
I literally could not figure out what it was good for. I get virtually latency-free monitoring at a buffer of 512 samples with my overheated, souped-up Mac, and trying to use CueMix to send mixes to different outputs on my 896mk3 was nothing but frustrating, so I figured out how to never use it.
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Re: I HATE CueMix
Are you using Tapatalk? I noticed there are sponsored ads appearing there. I gotta see what's going on with that and unless they want to cut me in on a piece of the action, shut that down.MIDI Life Crisis wrote:What's with the temp ads today?.
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