If you're responding to me, you're not exactly disagreeing with me. Essentially in my experience DP isn't used by people because it's the "standard" IE Pro Tools, but because people actually use it for it's features, not it's prestige. Believe me in the underground electronic/rock scene I'm part of no one uses DP, even though some of the more complex musically and revered people do, Autechre come to mind as naming DP as their desert island software.MIDI Life Crisis wrote:I'm not sure that's entirely true. Virtually every pro studio in Los Angeles is Pro Tools. None that I've been to use DP, only the smaller "boutique" once and composer studios. Those boutique ones are the only ones I'll spend my money on. My clients, OTOH, always end up hiring a Pro Tools house and I always end up amazing the non-DP users. And the funny thing is, the really high end engineers all use DP at home. Every one I've talked to, including the main guys at Pixar. When PT can't handle it, they take the file home, do their thing in DP and return the file to the main studio. That's not conjecture, that is straight from the horses mouth.
Plug-in Alliance, seriously? You haven't heard of DP?
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Re: Plug-in Alliance, seriously? You haven't heard of DP?
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Re: Plug-in Alliance, seriously? You haven't heard of DP?
I guess I am agreeing. Duh! I also think people actually like PT because the word "pro" is in there and that makes them feel, well... like a pro. They should pay more attention to the second word... LOL
Re: Plug-in Alliance, seriously? You haven't heard of DP?
These people are selling plugins. To be successful they have to appeal to PT, Logic, probably LIve, and maybe Cubase users. They need to know versions to know which need to be supported. Selling to DP users would be nice for them, but whether they do or don't won't make or break them. They'll do what PT and Logic users want, and if that also works for DP users, that will be great for us and nice for them. If it doesn't, they will not lose any sleep.
Even so, it's good to complain to them that their support for DP is not what it should be. Waves is another company that needs a poke in the eye from time to time.
(I don't know what Fruit Loops is doing there. I've met a lot of people that use it, but none that paid for it. Wherever they get FL, I expect they can get Plugin Alliance products for the same price.)
Even so, it's good to complain to them that their support for DP is not what it should be. Waves is another company that needs a poke in the eye from time to time.
(I don't know what Fruit Loops is doing there. I've met a lot of people that use it, but none that paid for it. Wherever they get FL, I expect they can get Plugin Alliance products for the same price.)
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Michael Canavan wrote:For the record I found DP more stable in OSX than Logic, and that was a huge reason for my move back to DP.
Do you remember when BT offered to buy anyone's rig, on the spot, if they could show it would run Logic without crashing? Plus, he'd take them out to dinner. I don't know if he ever found what he was looking for. I thought about offering him a copy of DP. (I have two paid-up copies, and upgrade them alternately) But I decided I didn't really care what BT did.
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BT, the most overrated electronic musician out there for sure.Shooshie wrote:Michael Canavan wrote:For the record I found DP more stable in OSX than Logic, and that was a huge reason for my move back to DP.
Do you remember when BT offered to buy anyone's rig, on the spot, if they could show it would run Logic without crashing? Plus, he'd take them out to dinner. I don't know if he ever found what he was looking for. I thought about offering him a copy of DP. (I have two paid-up copies, and upgrade them alternately) But I decided I didn't really care what BT did.
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To be fair, Logic was super stable for me version 4 to 6. It wasn't until 7 that they did things internally that messed up my setup. 7 had a few brutal hard to trace bugs that only took out some people's systems, and it broke me of the fallacy that any software is 'perfect' bug wise. I also took a while getting back into DP since I had a batch of things written in Logic, so I learned on DP5 skipped the notorious 6 and got into writing in DP again with the stable DP7. I live in the bubble where DP is never unstable because I skipped by accident and on purpose all the worst versions. (4 and 6) I'm fine with my bubble though!
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Re: Plug-in Alliance, seriously? You haven't heard of DP?
Speaking of Plug-In alliance, they have a special deal today on EQ Rangers Vol 1 for $19. I posted the info on how to get it here:
http://www.motunation.com/forum/viewtop ... 26&t=59583
http://www.motunation.com/forum/viewtop ... 26&t=59583
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Re: Plug-in Alliance, seriously? You haven't heard of DP?
I am so glad I tried all their plug-ins recently! I've now bought most of them, and they are -- along with Slate Digital -- now my go-to's for many tasks. It took a bit of work to "learn" them well, but I am finding them very well-programmed with excellent audio quality and some unique niches as well.
Yet I was disappointed when I filled out their survey. Sonar is on life support at this point and made the list. The only saving grace is that R****r was also missing from the survey.
Yet I was disappointed when I filled out their survey. Sonar is on life support at this point and made the list. The only saving grace is that R****r was also missing from the survey.
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BTW, I bought EQ Rangers during an earlier fire sale, and have no regrets. I didn't initially think I needed it when I tried all the demos, but it was a lot of demos to rush a trial on short order and I still don't like the interface. It turns out to be unique though, as it is graphic vs. parametric but also specialized vs. generalized (I usually hate graphic equalizers). It can be quite a time-saver during initial trial runs of early stages of a mix.
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Re: Plug-in Alliance, seriously? You haven't heard of DP?
BTW it was a $25 voucher in the US (maybe even $15; I forget). I guess the $45 is adjusted for the Australian dollar.
Meanwhile the Euro has rarely been lower, so it's a good time to buy things from European vendors and/or buy direct in Euro-quoted prices.
I just did that with the new German Bb Clarinet from VSL, as the exchange rate put it on par with buying from Ilio and paying tax. I'd rather the money go to the vendor with no middleman.
Meanwhile the Euro has rarely been lower, so it's a good time to buy things from European vendors and/or buy direct in Euro-quoted prices.
I just did that with the new German Bb Clarinet from VSL, as the exchange rate put it on par with buying from Ilio and paying tax. I'd rather the money go to the vendor with no middleman.
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Re: Plug-in Alliance, seriously? You haven't heard of DP?
Somehow I missed this. Nearly spit out my Coca-Cola when I read it! Had it been one micron funnier, I'd be cleaning my keyboard now.MIDI Life Crisis wrote:I guess I am agreeing. Duh! I also think people actually like PT because the word "pro" is in there and that makes them feel, well... like a pro. They should pay more attention to the second word... LOL
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Re: Plug-in Alliance, seriously? You haven't heard of DP?
Hey, I'm just a diminutive, slim simian, Jimbo. It's Magilla you should be worried about. I worry about him all the time. I mean, we all know gorillas sleep anywhere they care to, so what if he flops that hefty mass onto lil' ol' me before engaging that truck-idle snore? Geez. I live in fear...James Steele wrote:... "800 lb. gorillas" (no offense to Nicky)...
Back on topic: "Long live DP" is all I have to contribute. I put all my eggs in the MOTU basket when switching from ATARI to Mac, and by God that's where they're gonna stay... even if they hatch.
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Re: Plug-in Alliance, seriously? You haven't heard of DP?
If you were filling out a survey, and they asked you what brand of car you owned, the list would probably not include Tesla. But if you own a Tesla, then you know.
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- MIDI Life Crisis
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Re: Plug-in Alliance, seriously? You haven't heard of DP?
Perhaps, but there aren't THAT many DAWs around. And listing three version of PT and several versions of others seems kind of dumb. It would appear on the face that they did that to get as complete a list as possible, but then it begs the questions why they left out DP.
No, it's not a big deal. It's just that I prefer to deal with companies that not only go thru the motions of trying to be inclusive of their users, but who actually ARE inclusive. In that sense, they failed pretty miserably.
No, it's not a big deal. It's just that I prefer to deal with companies that not only go thru the motions of trying to be inclusive of their users, but who actually ARE inclusive. In that sense, they failed pretty miserably.
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Re: Plug-in Alliance, seriously? You haven't heard of DP?
I started to take their survey, but it reminds me of "Select from these 5 options" on my cable company's voicemail when none of the options apply to me. By the 3rd question I said heck with it.MIDI Life Crisis wrote:https://www.surveymonkey.com/s.aspx?sm= ... p1qw%3d%3dJames Steele wrote:I signed up over there in the hopes that they send me an email like yours and I can fill it out the same way.
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Re: Plug-in Alliance, seriously? You haven't heard of DP?
Exactly. Also reminds me of the "come on" surveys where you can win a great prize and get thru the whole damn thing only to get to the last question and see "sorry, you don't qualify."
If a person is nice enough to offer their time in responding, you'd expect the survey to be responsive and INCLUSIVE!
If a person is nice enough to offer their time in responding, you'd expect the survey to be responsive and INCLUSIVE!