We used to have help balloons way back in the day in DP. A little "speech balloon" like you'd see in comics popped up when you hovered the mouse over something you wanted info for and hit, I think, Command. It was fantastic, and the most immediately-accessible system I've seen to date.Robert Randolph wrote:Does she know that Logic has an awesome built in help system? You can mouse over almost anything, hit shift-? and it will go straight to the appropriate help page. Most of the help pages are fully cross-linked and have a good amount of pertinent information.
DP's manual is one of the best written DAW manuals, but I would love to have Logic Pro X's help system any day.
Mind you, it seems so long ago now I can't help but wonder if it was all a dream...
Hey Billy.billf wrote:I understand the marketing part, but is it really a black and white situation though? If VI's are the make/break point, can't you get MainStage routed into DP if you really must have the Logic VI's? For $29.99 at that which includes the EXS24.monkey man wrote:All those times I brought it up I was thinking of the app's ability to attract new users. In light of iLogicAL's offerings, along with those of a few other DAWs, it was surely no contest, especially for someone new to the game who perhaps didn't own or couldn't afford many hardware or software synths.
Firstly, I've only just heard about MS recently in this forum. Perhaps it's 'cause I've been out of the loop for several years. Dunno. I'll have to Wiki it one day and find out what it is.
Secondly, I was referring all the way back to DP5 when our "special" lil' suite of instruments arrived. I banged on about it through DP5 and 6, and have been AWOL / MIA for most of DP7 and 8 in two large chunks of a few years each. If MS existed back then, I certainly didn't catch a mention of it. In fact, I'm pretty certain I was waxin' lyrical about this glaring omission (no VIs at all) in the DP4 and 4.5 days.
It was obvious to me, and bear in mind I'll only be buying my very first non-MOTU plugs and a VI late this or early next year, that to anyone on a tight budget who's looking at a first DAW (a huge chunk of the market, no doubt), especially if he or she doesn't own hardware or 3rd-party plugs (and why would he or she if it's a first DAW I'm talking about, except in rare circumstances?), DP would, based on this critical factor alone, lose out big-time to CueBalls, PooStools Lite, iLogicAL, PooDeo Bum... I mean, One, Sneaker, Jive, Treason, Tooty Fruity Hoops and, well, every damned DAW I can think of, frankly. This is why I brought it up in every "feature request" thread during those years.
The fact that we all knew DP was and has always been "pro" means nothing in this context. My humble and passionate opinion was, and still is, that if you want to maximise sales you ignore those newbie startup young punks at your peril; they're the pros of tomorrow, and the loyal, high-paying customers too. IMHO.
Sorry I sound agitated. I've re-read this post and the response below to Stoivo and mellowing the construction appears to be beyond my capabilities right now. I had my first animal product this year a few hours ago (organic eggs, boiled), so it's difficult to ignore the coincidence of my feelin' testy (so rare it just don't happen!) with said dietetic indulgence. Excuses aside, I truly am sorry, and to you too, Stoivo, if you're reading this.
Seems this is relevant today, Bays. I cannot argue with you or Billy on this as I'm totally in the dark.bayswater wrote:Yes you can. I do that with EXS in Logic a lot. I do find it more difficult to set up with mainstage. But your point remains. If the attraction is the VIs, just get the VIs. Cheap as borscht.billf wrote: If VI's are the make/break point, can't you get MainStage routed into DP if you really must have the Logic VI's? For $29.99 at that which includes the EXS24.
However, nobody, and I mean, nobody mentioned anything of the sort through the years I referred to above, those heady days of DP5 and 6 and even the period prior to this where we (DP) sported the only DAW, PooStools excepted I think, that boasted zero instruments. The response, as I said in another post, was always that it didn't matter 'cause anyone who's serious about VIs would buy 3rd-party ones anyway, which is all well and good if you've "got the dough to blow in one go". Not relevant to a newbie starter; he or she just wants to know how much he or she can get done today, all the while being fully aware that 3rd-party purchases may be required in the fullness of time in order to fill gaps specific to his or her tastes.
I've wasted far too much time singing this song over the years now that I think of it. All my fault. Surely there are better things to do at 6AM, like... sleep... and dream of DP9 and all its sparkly modelling and... VI plug-ins!
Sorry if I'm coming across cranky. Fingers burnin' from cold, eyes burnin' from glare of monitor and brain burnin' from repetitive-task (typin') burn-in! All that said, my money's still on the eggs.
Love you both. You know that. Cheers, Unicorn brothers.