VSL has a MAS version of Vienna Ensemble Pro 5. It came out about six months ago. I've been using it since the beta and it works great! 48 MIDI ports are available with MAS. It really changed everything for DP and VEP. It's much much better to work with now.Michael Canavan wrote:That's really pretty much VSL's bad. VSL Pro is used by a lot of DP users it's pretty nuts they don't support it considering they could offer DP users more ports than VST3. Audio Ease support MAS, it's not unprecedented.Steve Steele wrote:
MAS would be great I agree, but as you said it didn't get support.
DP will eventually get VST 3 support, there's a slow trickle of developers that are offering only AU and VST3 versions of their plug ins on OSX. I think a lot of developers on the Mac side are wondering what's going on with AU.I think, eventually, MOTU will add VST3 support to DP in an upcoming release. But that's just my guess based on their adoption of Windows for DP and what is happening in the film industry concerning DAWs.
I'm a die hard DP and OSX user and want to see these two technologies on the cutting edge.
Be aware that DP9 at first wasn't going to have VST support in OSX, MOTU listened to us and added it. and while I don't agree 100% with the thrust of the quote Mike posted, it is true that 'host' support for VST has always been a PITA for developers, the documentation for host support has notoriously been vague, so it takes years to get right. Emagic was chosen for the Apple buyout of Logic partially based on their enthusiastic embracing of AU, and rush to abandon VST support. In Mac OS9 etc. VST support outside of Cubase often meant huge stability problems.. It's all better now, but can you name another VST3 DAW that isn't Cubase besides Studio One maybe?
With all that in mind, again I think the real let down is VSL not supporting MAS considering MIDI port wise it's still more robust than VST3..
I don't care so much about VST anymore except for one thing. When I tried using Cubase for a month I really liked the Expression Map and Dynamic mapping features very much. In fact I think it's almost a killer feature with the amount of sample libraries I use.
I strongly think DP should have similar features. But no one around here seems to care that much. I can only suggest it so many times.
Anyway, dynamic mapping and note expressions need VST3 because the feature takes advantage of part of the plugin that contains the VST3 spec. Maybe MOTU could do something similar with an AU to MAS bridge within DP. I'm not sure if that's possible because both the DAW and the plugin format need to support it. At least that's how Steinberg do it.
I'm not willing to leave DP. But those two features were major workflow timesavers.