What exactly is a VCA group in ProTools?

[MIDI Life Crisis]

Now I'm blushing. You're too kind.

[Dan Worley]

Goodgawd, what have I done?

[toodamnhip]

I'll remind you guys that pulling faders down is not the problem, and pulling down and then back up will give you good results as long as you don't go over their starting values.

As soon as the faders go above their starting values, that's when DP starts adjusting for the differences in their throw, wanting them to all reach the top at the same time.

Adding a dummy track can't help us.

Sounds like a "dummy" fader algorithm is already included in the latest build of DP anyway...lol

Dude, the dummy is the guy who sits back and snipes at those who are making a real effort to figure this stuff out. We've got the answer now, at least part of it, if not all of it. Check the thread in the other forum if you want to know where things stand. Meanwhile, try contributing to the outcome in some way other than ridicule. I'd appreciate that.

Thanks,

Shooshie

Oh my....
There must be some quote somewhere about what it means in life when one loses their sense of humor. You are VERY serious in your response, I was making a joke. I am sorry bro but I am not going to get all serious with you. Be mad if you like, be annoyed, be frustrated..or, realize it was a light joke and "lighten up".

[Shooshie]

Oh my....
There must be some quote somewhere about what it means in life when one loses their sense of humor. You are VERY serious in your response, I was making a joke. I am sorry bro but I am not going to get all serious with you. Be mad if you like, be annoyed, be frustrated..or, realize it was a light joke and "lighten up".

Oh, my sense of humor isn't the problem 2dam. I've laughed a thousand times with you, bro, but ridicule sometimes sounds more mean-spirited than funny, and that just gets annoying. Lighten up, yourself.

Not mad or annoyed or frustrated; just telling it like it is.

Shooshie

[davedempsey]

I'd like to see the Trim plug included as an in-line processor on the mixing console. Additional to that, when the trim plug is instantiated on a channel, I'd like to see a drop-down menu for choosing to assign the Trim plug gain pot to one of 8 or even 16 VCA groups. That way I could automate the one VCA fader and control any number of gain pots/channels pre insert & pre fader - i.e. just like real world VCA. That would be a real time saver

[toodamnhip]

Oh my....
There must be some quote somewhere about what it means in life when one loses their sense of humor. You are VERY serious in your response, I was making a joke. I am sorry bro but I am not going to get all serious with you. Be mad if you like, be annoyed, be frustrated..or, realize it was a light joke and "lighten up".

Oh, my sense of humor isn't the problem 2dam. I've laughed a thousand times with you, bro, but ridicule sometimes sounds more mean-spirited than funny, and that just gets annoying. Lighten up, yourself.

Not mad or annoyed or frustrated; just telling it like it is.

Shooshie

You’re not tellin’ NOTHIN’ like it is because I am me and I know I was joking and had no intent to ridicule. How can you say you are telling ME what I mean when I type something? Were you here with me? It was a joke based off of the guy having a fix that had the word “dummy” fader in it.
The day you know more about what I mean when I say something is the day you will be some all powerful psychic. What you do know is how YOU feel, so YOU got uptight. So YOU lighten up. Why do I say YOU are uptight? Because you got on the line all heavy and started telling me ••••. The only ridicule came from YOU about what I said. Did I ridicule YOU? No...
So who needs to lighten bro?...YOU. It was a joke. YOU do not know what I mean when I type. If I say it was a light hearted joke, all you can say is YOU, didn’t like it. Then I say YOU misinterpreted and I am sorry that happened. But then you must believe me that I was kidding and quite calling it ridicule. .....and lighten up.
Or..don;t lighten up, and then, it’s all on you.

[MIDI Life Crisis]

[toodamnhip]

Gulp, Swig, sip sip sip......

[cuttime]

...

[Shooshie]

You’re not tellin’ NOTHIN’ like it is because I am me and I know I was joking and had no intent to ridicule. How can you say you are telling ME what I mean when I type something? Were you here with me? It was a joke based off of the guy having a fix that had the word “dummy” fader in it.
The day you know more about what I mean when I say something is the day you will be some all powerful psychic. What you do know is how YOU feel, so YOU got uptight. So YOU lighten up. Why do I say YOU are uptight? Because you got on the line all heavy and started telling me ••••. The only ridicule came from YOU about what I said. Did I ridicule YOU? No...
So who needs to lighten bro?...YOU. It was a joke. YOU do not know what I mean when I type. If I say it was a light hearted joke, all you can say is YOU, didn’t like it. Then I say YOU misinterpreted and I am sorry that happened. But then you must believe me that I was kidding and quite calling it ridicule. .....and lighten up.
Or..don;t lighten up, and then, it’s all on you.

Now THAT'S funny!
O, the ironies!

Shoosh

[toodamnhip]

You’re not tellin’ NOTHIN’ like it is because I am me and I know I was joking and had no intent to ridicule. How can you say you are telling ME what I mean when I type something? Were you here with me? It was a joke based off of the guy having a fix that had the word “dummy” fader in it.
The day you know more about what I mean when I say something is the day you will be some all powerful psychic. What you do know is how YOU feel, so YOU got uptight. So YOU lighten up. Why do I say YOU are uptight? Because you got on the line all heavy and started telling me ••••. The only ridicule came from YOU about what I said. Did I ridicule YOU? No...
So who needs to lighten bro?...YOU. It was a joke. YOU do not know what I mean when I type. If I say it was a light hearted joke, all you can say is YOU, didn’t like it. Then I say YOU misinterpreted and I am sorry that happened. But then you must believe me that I was kidding and quite calling it ridicule. .....and lighten up.
Or..don;t lighten up, and then, it’s all on you.

Now THAT'S funny!
O, the ironies!

Shoosh

Good..finally a chuckle.....

[James Steele]

Yuck, yuck!

[toodamnhip]

Yuck, yuck!

Remember man, I owe you a beer at NAMM.

[davedempsey]

Come on guys - back on the subject
Do you think this would be good to have as a feature of the mixing desk? Having spent years mixing live on a large format Midas console with VCA groups I can see how the inclusion of "VCA groups" (actually, to be accurate, it would be DCA groups) would be very useful. Automation of sub-group/aux tracks or fader groups is not quite the same thing. I've sent this as a suggestion to Motu.

I'd like to see the Trim plug included as an in-line processor on the mixing console. Additional to that, when the trim plug is instantiated on a channel, I'd like to see a drop-down menu for choosing to assign the Trim plug gain pot to one of 8 or even 16 VCA groups. That way I could automate the one VCA fader and control any number of gain pots/channels pre insert & pre fader - i.e. just like real world VCA. That would be a real time saver

[toodamnhip]

Come on guys - back on the subject
Do you think this would be good to have as a feature of the mixing desk? Having spent years mixing live on a large format Midas console with VCA groups I can see how the inclusion of "VCA groups" (actually, to be accurate, it would be DCA groups) would be very useful. Automation of sub-group/aux tracks or fader groups is not quite the same thing. I've sent this as a suggestion to Motu.

I'd like to see the Trim plug included as an in-line processor on the mixing console. Additional to that, when the trim plug is instantiated on a channel, I'd like to see a drop-down menu for choosing to assign the Trim plug gain pot to one of 8 or even 16 VCA groups. That way I could automate the one VCA fader and control any number of gain pots/channels pre insert & pre fader - i.e. just like real world VCA. That would be a real time saver

I think you might want to ask yourself about MOTU’s priorities? The moment I got excited about VCA groups, members on here came in big time about how DP can already do the same thing. I would think MOTU would feel the same way if even it’s members can think VCA groups some sort of a redundant feature. So while your desires for VCA groups aren’t wrong, don;t you think there are other, long awaited features like MIDI muting, that DP should or would want to get to 1st?

It would be nice of someone with the patience of SHooshie would cull and compile a list of user requests and then prioritize by # of requests and yrs behind schedule some feature requests for Dp are.

If you think in those terms, where do you think VCA groups would land? I would not guess this to be a high priority. But “DP efficiency”--“MIDI muting”--“Bug Fixes” in long broken features here and there, these would probably be high on any given list.

It would also be nice if MOTU would publish and compile their request list so that we could all chime in or at least know where are desires for improvements lie in the “waiting list”.
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