Popular vs bwtter
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- twistedtom
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Popular vs bwtter
Just becouse somthing is more popular does not always make it better. I have a vHolt video cam that I use on my ski helmet, a freind has a GoPro video cam. I do the mixing of the video and the difference is huge, the GoPro is no whare nere as good in video quaility and sound, it jumps out at you there is such a difference. But every one thinks GoPro as they do a good job of selling their camera.
So next time some one says crap, and tells you about ProTools, or Logic just remeber what I said.
So next time some one says crap, and tells you about ProTools, or Logic just remeber what I said.
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Re: Popular vs bwtter
Bwtter?
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Re: Popular vs bwtter
I use a lot of stuff that isn't real popular but is WAY bwtter.
Price
---------- = Value
Performance
For example, I love my Tascam DM3200 console and interface card. Stupid cheap for its amazing feature set, and it still manages to sound really good. Not a lot of them out there, but there should be.
Also, DP. I've used ProTools and Logic Pro, each for long periods, and was always happy to come back to MOTU. My current recording rig is so integrated and so solidly dependable that I never even think about.
Price
---------- = Value
Performance
For example, I love my Tascam DM3200 console and interface card. Stupid cheap for its amazing feature set, and it still manages to sound really good. Not a lot of them out there, but there should be.
Also, DP. I've used ProTools and Logic Pro, each for long periods, and was always happy to come back to MOTU. My current recording rig is so integrated and so solidly dependable that I never even think about.
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- twistedtom
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Re: Popular vs bwtter
One must face.
Fat fingers on an iPad = bwtter. Better
Fat fingers on an iPad = bwtter. Better
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, kelsey and Yamaha mixers, Rack of gear. Guitars, piano, PA and more stuff.
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- toodamnhip
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Re: Popular vs bwtter
I agree with you for the most part. But, like many things in life, there is no ONE program that does it all. Having had to work in Pro Tools agian, I will tell you that elastic time in Pro Tools SMOKES DP so bad, that DP almost doesn;t get out of the starting blocks in the race.twistedtom wrote:Just becouse somthing is more popular does not always make it better. I have a vHolt video cam that I use on my ski helmet, a freind has a GoPro video cam. I do the mixing of the video and the difference is huge, the GoPro is no whare nere as good in video quaility and sound, it jumps out at you there is such a difference. But every one thinks GoPro as they do a good job of selling their camera.
So next time some one says crap, and tells you about ProTools, or Logic just remeber what I said.
Pitch correction=DP
Pro Tools now has SEPARATE audio engines for input and play back that allow one to run INPUT buffers at effing 32 samples!!!! OMG!!!
Audio sound quality=I am hearing DP sounds way better..’And so on and so forth.
I know this is a forum for DP, but sometimes I feel the conversations around here liken a DAW choice to being married, where if you use or speak well of another program, it is like cheating..lol.
So yes, Pro Tools is more popular, and yes, it is “better”, and then, DP is “better”...and in some case, logic may be “better”.
I sure do “prefer” DP. But I am starting to wonder about the word “BWTTER”?..lol
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- MIDI Life Crisis
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Re: Popular vs bwtter
Bewitched, bothered, and bwttered am I.
Wheelie I am.
Wheelie I am.
- toodamnhip
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Oh dude..Not to toot my own daughter’s horn, and I don;t want anything public until she gets her deal and record out, otherwise I’d post a link, but man do I have a GREAT version of her singing that tune. 17 yrs old with a voice as mature as 40+. I do records all day and hearing her makes me shake my head every time. There is something truly magical about 2nd generation musicians and singers.....toot tootMIDI Life Crisis wrote:Bewitched, bothered, and bwttered am I.
Wheelie I am.
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- twistedtom
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Re: Popular vs bwtter
I agree with you when it comes to music programs they all have their strengths, and it can also be what you are used to working with. My point is that some people think if your not using Protools or Logic you'er 2nd class due to all the hype around them. I am not going to switch DAWs just to be cool and with it.
Gopro does not have as good of video or audio quality as Contour hold does, I will not back down on that.
I want to hear your girl sing. Can she dance? LOL I think some of the pop stars are better dancers than singers, I am being judgmental, sorry, it is all art. I tot I bwtter say dat.
Gopro does not have as good of video or audio quality as Contour hold does, I will not back down on that.
I want to hear your girl sing. Can she dance? LOL I think some of the pop stars are better dancers than singers, I am being judgmental, sorry, it is all art. I tot I bwtter say dat.
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, kelsey and Yamaha mixers, Rack of gear. Guitars, piano, PA and more stuff.
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- toodamnhip
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Re: Popular vs bwtter
She doesn't dance. Her dancing would be an insult after hearing her voice. It would be like asking Ella Fitzgerald to do a 2 step...lol.twistedtom wrote:I agree with you when it comes to music programs they all have their strengths, and it can also be what you are used to working with. My point is that some people think if your not using Protools or Logic you'er 2nd class due to all the hype around them. I am not going to switch DAWs just to be cool and with it.
Gopro does not have as good of video or audio quality as Contour hold does, I will not back down on that.
I want to hear your girl sing. Can she dance? LOL I think some of the pop stars are better dancers than singers, I am being judgmental, sorry, it is all art. I tot I bwtter say dat.
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- twistedtom
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Re: Popular vs bwtter
The dance bit was a joke on how one has to put on a good stage show to make it in any popular kind of music, and I understand that people want a show when they buy tickets. I feel a good voice is the best thing to have.
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, kelsey and Yamaha mixers, Rack of gear. Guitars, piano, PA and more stuff.
, kelsey and Yamaha mixers, Rack of gear. Guitars, piano, PA and more stuff.