Conductor track can take a hike for all I care

[EMRR]

I would really like the conductor track in DP to f#%& off permanently. I don't use it, I probably never will. It's always hidden, and it's somehow randomly in record mode on a pretty regular basis, forcing me to make it visible and disarm it.

[James Steele]

I would really like the conductor track in DP to f#%& off permanently. I don't use it, I probably never will. It's always hidden, and it's somehow randomly in record mode on a pretty regular basis, forcing me to make it visible and disarm it.

But how do you really feel? I guess just because you don't use it, there might be some protest from those who do. I don't know how you managed to get it in record mode randomly. I guess that's something I've managed to avoid. Thanks however for putting this in the "Gripes" section where it does indeed belong.

[magicd]

Without the conductor track, you would not have:

Tempo changes
Meter changes
Key changes
Metronome click changes
Markers
Visual film cues

Check your new file template to make sure the conductor track is not record enabled.

Dave

[FMiguelez]

I would really like the conductor track in DP to f#%& off permanently. I don't use it, I probably never will. It's always hidden, and it's somehow randomly in record mode on a pretty regular basis, forcing me to make it visible and disarm it.

I could simply not use DP without the conductor track. I use it and abuse it for 99% of the work I do.

You may be happy writing music with no tempo changes and in 4/4, but you will find most people here use it in one form or another

Sounds like your problem is that it gets armed to record randomly and on its own, NOT that there IS a conductor track... it's one of DP's best features. It couldn't be used for scoring otherwise...

What you describe has NEVER happened to me, and I don't recall reading anything like that here either.

And, if I may add to Dave's list, we wouldn't have this either (these are a sub-set of consequences of his list, though):

No Record Beats
No Adjust Beats
No Tap Tempo
No Find Tempo
No flowing music (only same-tempo and static music)

[Jim]

I would really like the conductor track in DP to f#%& off permanently. I don't use it, I probably never will. It's always hidden, and it's somehow randomly in record mode on a pretty regular basis, forcing me to make it visible and disarm it.

If you don't like it, don't use it. It doesn't record anything, meaning it doesn't take up any data, unless you're feeding data into it, as has already been mentioned for Tap Tempo, etc.

There are a lot of features in DP I don't use, and probably never will. I initially objected to Adjust Beats, as I figured that having good rhythm is a core competency for any musician, and has no business in a product marketed to professionals. I wouldn't go near it with a ten foot pole.

But, silly me. I failed to consider that the bulk of music being sold today is by incompetent hacks, who are providing careers and income opportunities for engineer / producers who can make their crap marketable.

I sure wouldn't want to deprive them of an income at the expense of my own comfort and opinions, especially when it's so easy just to ignore the features I don't use. As long as Feature Bloat doesn't diminish the software, I don't mind as much.

[FMiguelez]

But, silly me. I failed to consider that the bulk of music being sold today is by incompetent hacks, who are providing careers and income opportunities for engineer / producers who can make their crap marketable.

Kewl "beatz" anyone?

There are a lot of features in DP I don't use, and probably never will. I initially objected to Adjust Beats, as I figured that having good rhythm is a core competency for any musician, and has no business in a product marketed to professionals. I wouldn't go near it with a ten foot pole.

For the purposes you mean, I TOTALLY agree. But remember that Adjust Beats (with a combination of Record Beats) is a very nice way of "finding the tempi" and make the conductor track click to rubato performances that were recorded wild as well. To me, that's Adjust Beats' raison d'être.

Other than that, I totally agree with you

[EMRR]

Without the conductor track, you would not have:

Tempo changes
Meter changes
Key changes
Metronome click changes
Markers
Visual film cues

Check your new file template to make sure the conductor track is not record enabled.

Dave

Thanks for the list, it frames some interconnected actions well. I appreciate it's usefulness, but Markers are the only thing on that list that I have ever used. I'd love it if it could be removed from the window altogether, just like deleting audio/aux/master fader tracks, as opposed to just hidden. Let it do it's core minimal thing as a background process.

It really does seem to randomly go into record mode; maybe some keystroke I'm unaware of. Possibly when I beat on the keyboard with my fist. It does this while stopped, after play or record, before recording again. While hidden from view. It's not enabled in a template. It never starts that way in a new project, it does it somewhere along the way, when I record enable something new. Hit record, get a window that says can't record because Conductor:

"must select 'tap tempo' and 'slave to external sync' before you can record to conductor track"

To my knowledge I never enabled record on that track; I can't even see the Conductor track. In terms of associated hardware, it does it both with and without an AlphaTrack controller attached. DP4.61 on through DP6.02.

Open track selector, make Conductor visible, disable record, hide Conductor, close track selector, proceed with recording. Several times a day, every day.

I'd love to hear how I'm an idiot, and there's an obvious solution I've missed.

Thanks for listening

[EMRR]

But how do you really feel?

I feel fine James, thanks for asking.

Thanks however for putting this in the "Gripes" section where it does indeed belong.

You're welcome.

[MIDI Life Crisis]

Lighten up guys, it's only his 338th post. Give the kid a break!!

But it is funny...

[Frodo]

There are a lot of features in DP I don't use, and probably never will. I initially objected to Adjust Beats, as I figured that having good rhythm is a core competency for any musician, and has no business in a product marketed to professionals. I wouldn't go near it with a ten foot pole.

For the purposes you mean, I TOTALLY agree. But remember that Adjust Beats (with a combination of Record Beats) is a very nice way of "finding the tempi" and make the conductor track click to rubato performances that were recorded wild as well. To me, that's Adjust Beats' raison d'être.

Other than that, I totally agree with you

+1

I would also say that some of the most musical performances I ever heard were recorded in real-time with wonderful rubato. I wouldn't change those tracks for anything in the world-- and I get so many tracks to "sweeten" with strings which were not recorded at my studio. I couldn't live without Adjust Beats.

It's not always about compensating for bad performances. Even a great track with grooving drums can be added to DP and then DP can lock to it without the risk of tampering with the performance.

[EMRR]

Lighten up guys, it's only his 338th post. Give the kid a break!!

But it is funny...

Which part?

Half as many as MagicD; at least the answers are coming from people with thousands/

[magicd]

I've never seen the conductor track record-enable itself spontaneously. I believe you when you say you keep finding it record-enabled. I'd be interested to know how that is happening.

Tracks get record-enabled one of two ways. You either click on the record enable button for the track, or you use some sort of remote command.

Remote commands include:
Record Enable Next Track
Record Enable Previous Track
Track Record Enable (Track must be selected for this to work)

There is a remote for Record Beats, but that is unassigned by default.

So perhaps what is happening is that you have an adjacent track record-enabled, and you are hitting the up or down arrow keys. These are the defaults for record enable next or previous track.

You can't delete the Conductor Track.

You can hide it in a Track Folder.

And now I have one more post in my count!

Dave

[Phil O]

The conductor track is your friend. Even if you don't use MIDI, it has its uses. Did you know that the easiest way to move a marker is to simply drag it in the conductor track?

Phil

[carrythebanner]

The up/down arrow keys change the record-enabled track, and it's easy enough to overshoot by one and accidently record-enable the Conductor Track.

[mhschmieder]

It's funny how this post inadvertently answered my own dead post in the DP forum about how best to work with "real-time" performances in a way that doesn't make the Conductor track irrelevant.

Thanks so much for all the advice from people here. I couldn't live without the Conductor Track, and now I see other ways to utilise it on legacy material (from tape days) that will dramatically improve my ability to work effectively with that material in the digital domain.