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Windows on a Mac

Postby bayswater » Tue Jan 03, 2017 1:34 pm

Does anyone have real world experience with this? Particularly with audio apps. I recall a John Dvorak article saying the best computer to run windows was a Mac, but that was a long time ago.
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Re: Windows on a Mac

Postby mikehalloran » Fri Jan 06, 2017 7:54 am

Some have trouble accessing Core services including audio from within Windows while others do not. As far as I know, that's the only real issue. Since there is more than one way to install Windows on a Mac (Bootcamp, Parallels etc.), that may have something to do with it.

You might be able to find better information here:

https://forum.parallels.com/

http://www.parallels.com/products/desktop/support/
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Re: Windows on a Mac

Postby bayswater » Fri Jan 06, 2017 9:03 am

Thanks. I'll follow that up.

By "Core services" do you mean things like CoreAudio, CoreMIDI, etc? I wouldn't have guessed you'd be using things like ASIO in Windows rather than going back into the Mac core services.
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Re: Windows on a Mac

Postby mikehalloran » Fri Jan 06, 2017 9:27 am

bayswater wrote:Thanks. I'll follow that up.

By "Core services" do you mean things like CoreAudio, CoreMIDI, etc? I wouldn't have guessed you'd be using things like ASIO in Windows rather than going back into the Mac core services.

That's exactly what I mean. If ASIO can't talk to Core Services, audio and MIDI can't work.

Since Parallels is a commercial app, I should think they know this issue well plus there's a user forum. Perhaps it's no longer an issue—I've not heard any buzz on it in years.

I just found this page from Apple Support that has links to Boot Camp Communities. Perhaps you'll find someone who knows this issue well—could happen.

https://support.apple.com/boot-camp
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Re: Windows on a Mac

Postby bayswater » Fri Jan 06, 2017 9:56 am

I've looked at the Apple community stuff and general googling. I was hoping someone here had actually got it working with DP and other other common apps and interfaces we use.

Again, I'm surprised there is any role for Apple OS components here, particularly if you don't use Parallels, just use boot camp to set up a partition to start up from Windows.
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Re: Windows on a Mac

Postby philbrown » Mon Jan 09, 2017 6:00 am

I've had to use Windows on Mac quite a lot but never audio-related so I can't help you there. I will say Parallels was always a total PITA through several versions and just generally confusing to use. This was a few years back though. I found Bootcamp to be a lot easier for what I was doing. Parallels does allow you to switch back and forth (kinda) where Boot camp involves a reboot– and then another boot back to OS X to go back and forth. Also Parallels had more access to the Mac itself where Bootcamp acts more like a separate Windows computer.
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Re: Windows on a Mac

Postby bayswater » Mon Jan 09, 2017 8:16 am

philbrown wrote:Parallels had more access to the Mac itself where Bootcamp acts more like a separate Windows computer.

Thanks. A separate Windows computer is what I'm looking for. I just don't want to have to buy another computer when I have seven Macs in the place, so Bootcamp is what I'd want.
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Re: Windows on a Mac

Postby philbrown » Mon Jan 09, 2017 10:02 am

bayswater wrote:
philbrown wrote:Parallels had more access to the Mac itself where Bootcamp acts more like a separate Windows computer.

Thanks. A separate Windows computer is what I'm looking for. I just don't want to have to buy another computer when I have seven Macs in the place, so Bootcamp is what I'd want.


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