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Yosemite YUCK

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Just had to install this on a friend's lappy today and...

Apple's Yosemite operating system is the ugliest UI I have ever seen. The lack of depth, the loss of contrast and the horrible flat dimensioning to EVERYTHING make the eye work harder than ever to quickly distinguish what is seeing. Some of the icon design is pretty nice, but the general environment is NOT pleasant to look at all. They've decided everything needs to be some barely discernible shade of eggshell and have ZERO three dimensional feel to it at all.

If this is the permanent direction of Apple, they will lose their preeminence as design leaders in this world. iOS7 and 8 were bad enough graphically. The total extreme abandonment of real beautiful and appealing design has apparently lost to a hipster-like mentality of doing something for the sake of doing it, not whether it's actually artistic or not.
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Other than that, it's Apple's best OS since 10.4.11.

The look takes a little getting used to but I've no problem with it -- something I can't say for any Windows version ever.

Even then, I'm still more concerned with what it can do.
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I saw the thread and not the participants and the first thought I had was "sounds like the whole DP 6 thing that started folks tweaking the GUI."

Lol.

It did seem "flat" to me at first but as with DP and all things computer, the GUI color scheme is much less important to me than the actual function. Maybe because I cut my teeth on an Apple II (green on black) and mono screened Ataris before moving to the 256 color Macs. I always hated that other computer color scheme (Amiga).

A bit more "thematic control wouldn't be terrible., but it is a great OS for the most part.
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I'm still on the fence about updating to Yosemite after finally resolving my issues in Mavericks (without really know the cause or what fixed it).

I had been hanging back and observing threads about Yosemite. It's kind of hard to know the status of all the glitches that were reported early on; whether they were resolved in subsequent updates either of the applications or the OS, or if the users had to live with the glitches or just ended up working around them somehow.

I am reassured by Mike that it is a better OS. (I was a happy fan of 10.4.11-- which I still run it on a legacy machine). I've used Yosemite lightly on my wife's laptop and it seems fine in terms of basic use.

I might try cloning my drive and installing it on the clone and seeing what (if anything) breaks, software-wise.

On a kind of meta note, I think Apple often finds itself at this fork in the road between function and style (for lack of a better word). And they can picture their ultra-sharp, close-up, product fly-overs with a white background and say, "Can we make that button much smaller, and make it much less visible?" ..."Can we make it thinner, smoother, harder to hold?" "Can we make the fonts thinner, smoother, harder to see?"

They walk a line that seems to underscore that they have to make people WANT the device first. So they make an appealing package, where thin is IT. It is funny to watch the screen size breath as they can't find the sweet spot between small and big. But I digress.

Anyways, it is useful to read peoples' reactions to the GUI on Yosemite. I can imagine the vast teams of insiders saying "Can we make the buttons glow a little?"
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I'm ok with the flat look although a bit more contrast between active and background objects would be nice. I agree with Mike that it works very well, at least as of 10.10.2. But I don't like the incessant nagging about iCloud, location services and so on. Reminds me of the toaster in Red Dwarf.
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Dark Menu Bars and Dock (System Preferences>General) help a lot, but I, for one, am SO glad to see the skeuomorphism go away, once and for all.
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amplidood wrote:Just had to install this on a friend's lappy today and...

Apple's Yosemite operating system is the ugliest UI I have ever seen. The lack of depth, the loss of contrast and the horrible flat dimensioning to EVERYTHING make the eye work harder than ever to quickly distinguish what is seeing. Some of the icon design is pretty nice, but the general environment is NOT pleasant to look at all. They've decided everything needs to be some barely discernible shade of eggshell and have ZERO three dimensional feel to it at all.

If this is the permanent direction of Apple, they will lose their preeminence as design leaders in this world. iOS7 and 8 were bad enough graphically. The total extreme abandonment of real beautiful and appealing design has apparently lost to a hipster-like mentality of doing something for the sake of doing it, not whether it's actually artistic or not.
It's retro. At least it is in color, because what's old is new again and they could have gone further. :D

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I have to agree with Andy here; I just updated to Yosemite from Mavericks last week, and even though I'm no art critic, I'm having trouble appreciating the Fisher-Price/Playskool visual vibe. (I bet if Charlie "Waffles" Harper, didn't pass on and was still composing, he would have found inspiration for his kiddie songs in the Yosemite UI!)

Although, I also have to agree with Mike, in that my system is running smoothly, and the update went without a hitch. I'm really enjoying my Mini since I got 2 SSD's and put my OS & DP Projects on one and my samples on the other. (I have them both in an external USB3 dual drive dock, and am using the pokey HD in the Mini as a backup System drive.)

Can't wait to see what surprises the new version of DP will bring to the table...
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Yosemite's look is right in the pocket of hip UI design. That 3D junk is far more Fisher-Price.

Apple is in no danger of losing its cred.
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cuttime wrote:Dark Menu Bars and Dock (System Preferences>General) help a lot, but I, for one, am SO glad to see the skeuomorphism go away, once and for all.
Have to agree. I'm somebody that always liked the look of OS9 though. Give me skeuomorphism in the application, I would rather the OS disappear in the background. None of this is as bad as Vista, with it's RED and BLUE window buttons that made everything look as color blind design wise as a Russian church. For the record I've always turned the buttons in OSX to graphite as well.

Mostly Notifications are the only thing in Yosemite I'm not happy with.

That in no way means I think you should stop doing DP mods though. 8)
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The entire argument in a nut sack...

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Michael Canavan wrote:
cuttime wrote:... Mostly Notifications are the only thing in Yosemite I'm not happy with...

If only there was a way to deal with that.

https://support.apple.com/kb/PH18740?locale=en_US
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http://osxdaily.com/2014/09/29/stop-oth ... hone-call/
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I don't like the incessant nagging about iCloud, location services and so on.
Me neither. See if this helps:
https://support.apple.com/kb/PH18975?lo ... cale=en_US
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mikehalloran wrote:
I don't like the incessant nagging about iCloud, location services and so on.
Me neither. See if this helps:
https://support.apple.com/kb/PH18975?lo ... cale=en_US
Thanks Mike. I've turned off a load of things. The problem is that the various devices keep telling me to turn them back on. The most annoying is Maps and Camera on the iPhone, but similar things happen on the MBP. I usually turn location services off, and every time I start up an app that can use location services, I'm asked if I want to turn it back on.

Does Anyone Want Location Services? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRq_SAuQDec

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