Report on audio causing Mac Pro problems

[James Steele]

So you're booting your Mac with Windows and running Sonar or something? Ick... more power to ya I suppose.

I see where Newrigel is coming from though. Some of us are just getting work done and our computers are working fine. There are other folks who just love to pore over all the forums and get worked up about these issues and be alarmist. It runs warmer? So? And it doesn't affect most users apparently. People who have systems that are working and they're going about their business using them don't go to forums and post about it, hence these forums (including this one) are dominiated by those who do have problems and that gives a skewed perception of things. Heck there's one guy on here who I don't think will upgrade DP until version 10 or the version that everyone universally says is working PERFECTLY-- whichever comes first.

You are running a G5, for heaven's sake, James. If you had just shelled out several thousand bucks for a new Nehalem Mac Pro and saw the temperature spike 20C, just for turning on a firewire device, you might think differently.

Um, sounds like there's some exaggeration going on here. SEVERAL thousand? And spike 20C? That much... in Celsius? Seems like a lot but actually I don't have my nose in a utility telling me the temperature. And um, yeah, get an RMA and send it back if you had a bum unit.

As for the "alarmist" and "some people" insinuations, that's just boilerplate Mac pom-pom stuff--and it strikes me as belittling.

It can strike you anyway you want it to, Bill, and I don't give a damn. It's belittling of you to call it "pom pom stuff." It's just to give context to these threads.

I am not a Mac basher. (Jeez, I was the liaison with Apple Computer for a major Apple OEM several years before the Mac the was even born.) And I certainly am not a DP basher.

Did I say you were? Where did that come from?

And what's with the "Ick" when it comes to a competing program? So now your are a Sonar expert, or a Nuendo expert?

No... of course I'm not a Sonar expert? I was asking what DAW you were running. Furthermore, why the hell would I be an expert on those if I'm running the MOTUNATION forum... a forum pretty much dedicated to Digital Performer. And if you're not a DP user, don't you have a Sonar/Nuendo forum to visit? But seriously the "ick" comes from enough experience with Windows in generally to know that I don't want to be dealing with a Windows machine in the studio. It's a personal opinion, Bill.

ICK! ICK! ICK! ICK! ICK! ICK! ICK! ICK! ICK! ICK! ICK! ICK!

You don't have to like it, Bill. You should know me well enough through this forum that I'm not going to go cry in my beer if you don't like what I have to say.

But, please, don't give me that "some people just do their work and don't complain about everything" stuff. Go out a buy a Nehalem, James--then we'll talk.

Give me $3K and I'll go buy one tomorrow, Bill. I know odds are great that I won't have those issues. The problems that are being beaten to death aren't universal. Most users aren't experiencing the problems, but then nobody wants to talk about that. The users should ship their systems back to Apple perhaps if it's that bad. Are they able to work on them. Are their projects working and running, or are they just twisted up because it's running warmer at some times?

As for newrigel, rather than giving the response he or she deserves, I will obey the TOS of this group.

That's big of you. I appreciate it.

[newrigel]

Hey Bill I'm a grown man and I can take it... I think that ranting about an issue that is really trivial and isolated is a waste of space and time. If my box didn't do what I needed it to do I'd get rid of it... What sucks is when people who have the issues are nothing but bashers on mac rumors. I installed close to 30 systems last year and have had nothing but great results from the machines and the owners and users have never been happier... that's why I chimed in and said anything. If It would have been an issue that's common place I wouldn't have defended against the claims made, that simply aren't true in my case anyway and I think that 32 systems can't be wrong because I would have heard about it and these people I'm sure read Mac Rumors and the net and it never even crossed our minds that there was an issue.
I had a friend who used to take a pill for every little feeling they had... I thought to myself, some days I get up and not feel to good.. does that warrant me taking a pill for it? But in reality, we're not going to wake up every day and feel good, it's part of life but there are some that feel the need to take a pill to fix it because it needs to be fixed... this person unfortunately has passed away and I attribute it to the hypochondriac lifestyle and the constant attention to the things that weren't worth getting all up about... this is the same thing here... is it crashing, locking up, not functioning properly? No, and Apple doesn't have to make right on a product that just because it doesn't spec out to a certain individuals parameters... they are awarded somehow. They have what is called a CHOICE, to buy it or not. Apple took back an iMac I just bought because I didn't like it... no questions asked. if these people don't like it they can just take it back! But what I see going on here is just a bash-fest and the focus of the issue isn't as real as some believe it to be... what you think is hot isn't to me so we all have the choice to not own it... if it locks up continually and impeded the performance and productivity of the user then they have an issue but I myself have not had any problems and I don't see why I as an owner can't state that I'm having GREAT success with my machine and that it has worked flawless... but others can get on their soap box and scream to the masses that there's this "underlying problem" and everyone needs to know about it? Waste of space... I'm done here.

[cxi2001]

Jeez. Wish i'd never mentioned it now.

[cxi2001]

newrigel - what was the message you aborted leaving in my inbox ?

Another post on this subject :

http://www.motunation.com/forum/viewtop ... =4&t=39451" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

People have found something a bit weird to do with audio on their Mac Pros, it is real, they'd like Apple to perhaps acknowledge that this is an issue, it is a software fault that could be rectified. If this was about running 32 tracks of audio whilst playing Halo and encoding the entire series of The Wire onto an iPod then i'd understand, but they're using iTunes. Nothing more, nothing less. iTunes.

The reason i mentioned it on this thread and the other poster on the thread above was to perhaps gauge if anyone else has had this problem, not to be shouted down.

[newrigel]

newrigel - what was the message you aborted leaving in my inbox ?

Another post on this subject :

http://www.motunation.com/forum/viewtop ... =4&t=39451" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

People have found something a bit weird to do with audio on their Mac Pros, it is real, they'd like Apple to perhaps acknowledge that this is an issue, it is a software fault that could be rectified. If this was about running 32 tracks of audio whilst playing Halo and encoding the entire series of The Wire onto an iPod then i'd understand, but they're using iTunes. Nothing more, nothing less. iTunes.

The reason i mentioned it on this thread and the other poster on the thread above was to perhaps gauge if anyone else has had this problem, not to be shouted down.

Here's something for you:
Here is my machine running NOTHING

Here is my machine running iTunes... hardly a 20% hit!

I really don't know what it is with the Mac Pros that are in question... mine runs fine but I'm not hacking into it so this could be the issues here or maybe they are hackintosh users that are getting in there and messing with things and have it hosed I don't know but here's PROOF that mine doesn't have this problem... hope this is enough for you to understand why I'm making a stand here on this because I'm one who would be first in line if there was an issue! I don't mean to be so hard on the issue but this isn't happening with my system and I can't tell you why but I don't run cracked software on this machine etc. etc. so who knows what could be happening here. My Mac Pro was one of the very first ones out so maybe Apple could have replaced a chip on the logic board with a different manufacturer or whatever but here I hope is enough proof to you that MINE isn't doing it. I've been discussing it with some very bright engineers (UNIX) and they say it could just be extensions on the boxes that are exhibiting this behavior that are running in the background that may be causing this so not everyone is having the same issues while running only OS X on a fresh install. Apple will get it right if there is indeed an issue but on my end, there isn't one.

[cxi2001]

"The engineers stated that this is a known issue and they are working on a fix to the issue as they dont have any troubleshooting steps or any fixes at the moment but hopefully there will be one soon so just keep checking your software updates and install any firmware updates or OS updates that become available."


http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jsp ... 0&tstart=0" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[newrigel]

OK!

[pdube]

Here's the fix, for anyone who is interested:

http://support.apple.com/kb/HT4034

[cxi2001]

Well who'd a thunk it ?
There's me thinking i'm making it all up.............................

[newrigel]

This wasn't a Mac Pro problem (the claims were Mac Pro overheating problems) so the claim of the Mac Pro as hardware isn't the issue! It was a Snow Leopard problem (if anything) so there are a mulitude of users NOT experiencing this issue due to NOT being in SL! I did a test on a SL partition and ran geek bench... I got a lower score (from 10,120 to 8056) after the update. I run Leo on my audio machine, so this is related to SL but I noticed the fan speed increase (the fan on the processor heat sink) also on reboot... strange if it fixed anything why it would just increase fan RPM's = more noise. Some aren't experiencing any issues and it's Apple just pacifying the ones who are whining about it. A downgrade of the AudioAUUC kext? It's just a matter of time till another rant takes place. Apple did this a while back on a video card driver issue that people were whining about too that NOT ALL people were experiencing... all I can say is great, now we can move on... thank you Lord!