Wanting a solid control surface for DP 9.5
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- dhelpling
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Wanting a solid control surface for DP 9.5
I would love any advice from users who actually own and use a control surface with DP9. Something small form-factor and of a quality build - money doesn't matter if it works (not touch-screen). Must have high-end faders, well-placed transport controls and a clean layout. I love the concept and design of the Softube Console 1 MKII and may get one of those in addition to an actual control surface if they would work well together. Avid Artist Mix & Waves Platform M look nice... Thank you in advance!
Re: Wanting a solid control surface for DP 9.5
I'm eyeing a Behringer X-Touch. So especially interested hearing from people who have used that.
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- dhelpling
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Re: Wanting a solid control surface for DP 9.5
Does DP 9 speak EUCON? If so, is it solid and reliable? the Avid S3 looks wonderful - https://vintageking.com/avid-s3-control-surface
- Gravity Jim
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Re: Wanting a solid control surface for DP 9.5
I'm using an Icon (not Waves) Platform-M and love it. Everything you need, nothing you don't, the lowest priced motorized-fader CS on the market. Solid build with a (mostly) metal case and good touch-sensitive faders. Tried three other control surfaces before settling on this, and it's a perfect fit for my desktop and my workflow.
Jim Bordner
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- dhelpling
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Re: Wanting a solid control surface for DP 9.5
Thanks for the response Jim! Do you use the LCD display with yours? What is with the WAVES branded version I am seeing currently for sale online? Also, how do you know what 8 channels you are controlling at any given time? Cheers!
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Re: Wanting a solid control surface for DP 9.5
Regarding EUCON support and the Avid S3, MOTU replied with this:
"As I'm sure you can imagine, it's hard for all DAW manufacturers to announce full support across all control surface manufacturers. However, DP fully supports EuCon protocol so your board should work relatively well. We've done a fair share of testing with these S3 boards in the past, and from what I can remember they work pretty well from personal experience."
Sounds hopeful to me - any other opinions here?
"As I'm sure you can imagine, it's hard for all DAW manufacturers to announce full support across all control surface manufacturers. However, DP fully supports EuCon protocol so your board should work relatively well. We've done a fair share of testing with these S3 boards in the past, and from what I can remember they work pretty well from personal experience."
Sounds hopeful to me - any other opinions here?
- Gravity Jim
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Re: Wanting a solid control surface for DP 9.5
It's easy... when you use it and hit the bank control, the DP Mixing Board collapses down to 8 channels, and switches to the next 8 with each press of the Bank button. I have 2 displays and keep the mixing board on the left display, with the Platform-M right under it.dhelpling wrote:Thanks for the response Jim! Do you use the LCD display with yours? What is with the WAVES branded version I am seeing currently for sale online? Also, how do you know what 8 channels you are controlling at any given time? Cheers!
I don't use the LCD and have no idea what's up with the Waves-branded version.
Jim Bordner
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Re: Wanting a solid control surface for DP 9.5
My BCF2000 does this but not always. Have you found any preferences or settings (in DP) that turn this on and off?Gravity Jim wrote:when you use it and hit the bank control, the DP Mixing Board collapses down to 8 channels
(BTW, the BCF is actually lower priced than the Icon, but as they say, there's a reason for that)
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- Gravity Jim
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Re: Wanting a solid control surface for DP 9.5
No, I haven't. It did it when I plugged it in and always has. I have noticed that the mixing board has to have focus for it to work.bayswater wrote:My BCF2000 does this but not always. Have you found any preferences or settings (in DP) that turn this on and off?Gravity Jim wrote:when you use it and hit the bank control, the DP Mixing Board collapses down to 8 channels
(BTW, the BCF is actually lower priced than the Icon, but as they say, there's a reason for that)
BTW, The BCF2000 has apparently been discontinued.
Jim Bordner
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Re: Wanting a solid control surface for DP 9.5
I bought the last one at Sweetwater a few months ago...Gravity Jim wrote:BTW, The BCF2000 has apparently been discontinued.
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MOTU 828 mk3 hybrid
DAWs & Live: MOTU Digital Performer 11.31 | Cantabile Performer 4
Keyboard Synths: Kawai K5000s, Korg Wavestation
Controllers: NI Komplete Kontrol S-88 Mk3 & S-49 Mk2; Maschine Mk3 & JAM;
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Re: Wanting a solid control surface for DP 9.5
Yes, Jim, you're right, the major distributors are listing it as discontinued including Sweetwater. I've seen them in local stores so thought they were still available. Amazon still has stock, as do some music store chains. I guess Mr B wants us to all move on to their new doodad.
I see they are going for about twice what I paid for mine, so there isn't much price advantage even if you can find one.
I see they are going for about twice what I paid for mine, so there isn't much price advantage even if you can find one.
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Re: Wanting a solid control surface for DP 9.5
The PreSonus FaderPort works fine. I got the single fader, which is all I need, but assume the 8-channel version would work just as well.
Rick Cornish
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Re: Wanting a solid control surface for DP 9.5
+1 on the Icon Platform M
You can edit most with WIN software
They have now a D2 display. that fits vertically ...
( the previous display isn't quite the same size as the fader spacing of the faderbox )
PS
see my sig, I'm using them live
Best
Klaus
You can edit most with WIN software
They have now a D2 display. that fits vertically ...
( the previous display isn't quite the same size as the fader spacing of the faderbox )
PS
see my sig, I'm using them live
Best
Klaus
- Gravity Jim
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Re: Wanting a solid control surface for DP 9.5
Cool news. I may just buy a display if it lines up with the Platform-M (the old one lines up with the faders on the sidecar version, with no Master fader or transport controls).Klaus wrote:+1 on the Icon Platform M
You can edit most with WIN software
They have now a D2 display. that fits vertically ...
( the previous display isn't quite the same size as the fader spacing of the faderbox )
PS
see my sig, I'm using them live
Best
Klaus
But using them live would not cause me any consternation. It's been that reliable.
Jim Bordner
MacPro 5,1 (3.33Ghz 12-core), 32g RAM, OS X 10.14.6 • MOTU DP 10.11 • Logic Pro X 10.2.5 • Waves Platinum, UAD-2, Slate Digital, Komplete, Omnisphere 2, LASS, CineSamples, Chipsounds, V Collection 5[color]
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Re: Wanting a solid control surface for DP 9.5
Gravity Jim, this looks like exactly what I've been hunting for. How hard was it to set it up to work with DP?