Help figuring out a pop tune tempo please

[Timeline]

Tears for Fears in the mid 80s did a tune Everybody Wants to Rule the World.
I know its a shuffle @ 113bpm but need to know how to set DP to properly quantize?
Also wondered if it would be correct to select 4/4 and write the shuffle drum patterns over it?
I'm not familiar with shuffles and more a head musician/engineer type. Thanks, GB

[Kurt Cowling]

Either set to 4/4 and quantize to 8th note triplets or set to 12/8 and quantize to 8th notes. Also, if 12/8 set the metronome to click dotted quarters instead of quarters.

[Timeline]

How would I set to 12/8 and can I do this after making a track?double click on time signature in controller window does nothing.

[stubbsonic]

First make sure the tempo is controlled by the conductor track. You set this in the main control panel by clicking the little disclosure triangle to the right of the tempo display.

Then edit the conductor track and add METER CHANGE and TEMPO CHANGE there on 1|1|000.

Set the click to dotted-quarter note (as opposed to quarter notes).

[Timeline]

Thnx. Will give it a go.

[Timeline]

I can open up a new project and set the meter but not in the session already recorded. Hmmm
Won't save

[stubbsonic]

If you've already recorded MIDI, you can use Scale Time to correct the difference.

For me, trial-and-error is often needed.

If I see that the track is going too fast for the new meter & tempo, I might scale the time 150% (select the entire length of the original track). That usually works. If not, just hit UNDO and try some other normal values (66.6%? 200%? etc) If you're good at math, you can just look at the original track, and then look at how long it should be, and set up your scale value from that.

If you are talking about audio, you may have to create a tempo map. If you find there are weirdnesses with Record Beats, etc, after defining the click & beat to a dotted quarter, you can just go with 4/4 (and use triplets for quantizing).

[Timeline]

Well... Its not that. I cannot change meter at all. I can change tempo, which defaults in the conductor pulldown to 120 but allows change to 113, but when selecting follow conductor after making the change the tempo does not conform either. Only thr slider select plays properly. I think I'm SOL here.

[stubbsonic]

Strange.

I just opened a new DP file, and the first thing I did was to open the conductor track, and add a new METER CHANGE and made it 12/8, and selected dotted quarter as the click. I immediately saw the meter change in the control panel. However, the tempo slider still indicated a quarter note, so I click on that and changed it to a dotted-quarter. So, without even having the tempo controlled by the conductor, it still showed 12/8 as the current meter.

The only things I can think of is perhaps there is some external sync enabled? Or perhaps there's a weird thing where you have more than one chunk and the tracks overview is for a backgrounded chunk? Otherwise, it might make sense to try starting a new chunk and copy-paste all the tracks into the new chunk. If that doesn't work, you could try starting a new project, and then LOAD the chunk into the new project.

[SMS]

I think the OP is lacking some understanding of how the conductor track works. Once Conductor Track is selected as the tempo source, the tempo slider is disabled. Tempo will be controlled by tempo events in the conductor track, which is also where Meter events are entered.

[Timeline]

I think the OP is lacking some understanding of how the conductor track works. Once Conductor Track is selected as the tempo source, the tempo slider is disabled. Tempo will be controlled by tempo events in the conductor track, which is also where Meter events are entered.

OK so leave as slider controlled? Can i quantize a shuffle then by selecting the dot in the controller then?

[SMS]

Selecting the dot has nothing to do with quantizing.. have you already entered the MIDI notes in your sequence, or are you trying to decide how to begin?

[stubbsonic]

First, you set the tempo to be controlled by the conductor track.

Second, while rewound to zero, in the conductor track EVENT LIST EDITOR you add a METER CHANGE and set to 12/8 click= dotted quarter

Third, while still rewound to zero, in the conductor track EVENT LIST EDITOR, add a TEMPO CHANGE to the tempo you want, set the dotted quarter to be the basis for the tempo.

This puts both of those events at 1|1|000.

Now if your MIDI tracks are off, select all of your MIDI tracks and use scale time to stretch them out or shrink them down as needed. If they are right, but starting on the wrong beat, you can drag to the correct starting point.

All quantizing that you do will be a little different now. You would quantize to 8th notes and DP will treat that like a triplet if you were in 4/4.

[Timeline]

I think your right SMS. I rarely deal with conductor ever and this is all interesting but new to me. I'm an older old school DP user I admit and your comments are very appreciated especially Stubbsonic. I wont take any more of your time but thanks a million guys.

[stubbsonic]

I think your right SMS. I rarely deal with conductor ever and this is all interesting but new to me. I'm an older old school DP user I admit and your comments are very appreciated especially Stubbsonic. I wont take any more of your time but thanks a million guys.

Don't worry about taking our time, Time(line). But please do let us know if you get it working.