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For me, the best time stretch and pitch is found in isotope RX, it is called "Radius”.
That threw me for a moment. I remember when Radius for Logic was bundled with RX as a separate tool. The had to do that since Logic did not allow destructive editing back in the day. I also know that Izotope licenses it to Digidesign as a plug in PT. It never occurred to me that I might have had it all along.
Sure enough, I opened my copy of RX 6A scrolled all the way down to Time & Pitch and there is Radius in the settings. I've never used it in any version of RX I've had — time to give it a try. No idea if the standard version is as tweakable as Advanced but Radius is included in both versions. https://www.izotope.com/en/products/rep ... tures.html
Thanks for the heads-up.
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For me, the best time stretch and pitch is found in isotope RX, it is called "Radius”.
That threw me for a moment. I remember when Radius for Logic was bundled with RX as a separate tool. The had to do that since Logic did not allow destructive editing back in the day. I also know that Izotope licenses it to Digidesign as a plug in PT. It never occurred to me that I might have had it all along.
Sure enough, I opened my copy of RX 6A scrolled all the way down to Time & Pitch and there is Radius in the settings. I've never used it in any version of RX I've had — time to give it a try. No idea if the standard version is as tweakable as Advanced but Radius is included in both versions. https://www.izotope.com/en/products/rep ... tures.html
Thanks for the heads-up.
The tricky part is using the right settings. I think they got rid of a lot of confusing options and now you only have to choose between a few such as- vocals/vocals pre mix/full mix/solo inst/piano. Some experimentation is indicated, and there are deep settings if you get any sort of artifact. Takes a bit of getting used to. Do some testing and let me know how the results compare to other products.
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I have had mostly excellent results with DP's pitch automation. I keep thinking I'll try Melodyne one day.. but for what?
DP has one feature that for me, always makes it superior to other solutions: The pitch automation is included in the Merge Audio command. I can finalize the pitch on a track, and then bounce it in place without the mixing desk (along with all the fixes/crossfades and edits). Then I'm exactly where I was in the mix, but with a nice clean, tuned audio track.
Plus, I have found that with even the default settings, I've been able to use the quantize command on whole tracks (especially backing vocals), as a starting point, where I go back in and repair the unnatural parts. Fastest way to get the job done, sometimes.
The only thing I wish is that there were more key commands for actual editing of the pitch, as opposed to mouse/trackpad clicks.. gets so tedious.
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Killahurts wrote:I have had mostly excellent results with DP's pitch automation. I keep thinking I'll try Melodyne one day.. but for what? ...
I see nothing in Melodyne Basic that can't be done in DP.
Melodyne (from Assistant up) has polyphonic editing capabilities that can fix pitches and timing of individual notes inside a piano track (or guitar or orchestra or choir etc.). Nothing else that I know can do this. Editor adds more features and Studio lets you fix pitch and timing problems across multiple tracks.
It's really not a question of which is better. If you have a track that can only be fixed in Melodyne, it doesn't matter what DP can or cannot do.
Hmmmm.... going to that link, I see an update to 4.1 is out. I need to do that.
New in the free update to Version 4.1
Improvements in ARA operation (simultaneous editing of multiple tracks, comping)
Better sound quality for soprano voices and high-pitched monophonic instruments
The familiar “Separate Notes as Trill” command from Melodyne studio 3 is once again available
Additional keyboard shortcuts and alternative contrast settings for the user interface
Minor bug fixes and various other optimizations
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It all really depends on the vocal and how it was recorded. It seems that whenever one can't handle certain high frequency content in a vocal, the other can. I always default to DP because it sounds so much more natural, but I keep Melodyne around to catch a line or two that DP just can't seem to do without fuzzing out the top.
amplidood wrote:It all really depends on the vocal and how it was recorded. It seems that whenever one can't handle certain high frequency content in a vocal, the other can. I always default to DP because it sounds so much more natural, but I keep Melodyne around to catch a line or two that DP just can't seem to do without fuzzing out the top.
+1!!
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