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Re: Your favorite wireless mouse for editing in DP

Postby MIDI Life Crisis » Thu Dec 07, 2017 10:33 pm

I tried that mouse (or the version available when my Revolution mouse ran away...) and some of the buttons were NOT programmable, but hard wired for the Logitech purposes. I think it was the top button (middle one) but I'm not sure. That was a major reason I returned the mouse and moved to the Trackpad 2 as an experiment. Over two years later, I'm loving the TP2 and hate to touch a mouse. Just sayin...
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Re: Your favorite wireless mouse for editing in DP

Postby HCMarkus » Fri Dec 08, 2017 1:53 am

stubbsonic wrote:Thanks. It looks like the new MX Master 2S is recommended on the SteerMouse site.

The big difference I could see in the newer 2S model is longer battery life and higher resolution. I'm not sure if that difference is worth another $30. The battery life doesn't matter much. I'm mostly wondering if I'd notice the added resolution. I'm coming from an old Intellimouse. I just really want to scroll horizontally without a modifier key. And still have a few extra customizable buttons-- zoom in, zoom out, etc.

So far, I'm not noticing any resolution issues and, like you, am not particularly concerned about battery life as you can use the mouse while charging if necessary.

It is interesting that, although the MX does not demonstrate faux "inertia" like the MM, when freewheeling the scroll wheel's weight gives it real, physical inertia. Unlike Apple's pseudo inertia, it is quite controllable.

And, by the way, the MX Master battery IS user-replaceable. It's running about $13 at various sites. Logitech even shows you how to open the mouse and remove the battery (for recycling purposes) in enclosed documentation. Way easier than replacing a broken Yamaha Motif ES6 key, which I just did tonight. 90 screws to remove. Multiple electronic connectors to loosen from their mates' tenacious grip. Replace the key (luckily, a spare was on hand), then do it again in reverse.

The MX has like 6 screws.
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Re: Your favorite wireless mouse for editing in DP

Postby stubbsonic » Fri Dec 08, 2017 7:58 am

Thanks, HCM, that's helpful info.

MLC, I'll do a little digging to find out more about what buttons are not programmable in this version.
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Re: Your favorite wireless mouse for editing in DP

Postby stubbsonic » Sat Dec 09, 2017 9:59 am

As I'm looking at the various Logitech offerings, I'm noticing that they seem to be leaning toward fewer buttons now.

My current mouse has 4 buttons plus the wheel press-- and the wheel press is nice because I can use it to zoom in/out with DP.

I'm not sure which Logitech mice have wheel buttons.

It might not matter as much if SteerMouse can let me use one of the buttons as a modifier key. But I'd also rather not have to sacrifice a button (I like the wheel button idea more).

The G900 Chaos Spectrum has 11 programmable buttons, and is on the SteerMouse-Recommended list.

Here's what I'm hoping to put on the mouse:

Left click (of course)
Right click (contextual menu)
Option-Click (for naming)
Scroll horizontal & vertical (of course)
Zoom horizontal/vertical
Page Left/Right
Arrows up/down/left/right
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Re: Your favorite wireless mouse for editing in DP

Postby stubbsonic » Sat Dec 09, 2017 11:59 am

The G602 has six buttons by the thumb, and two extra buttons at the index finger. Seems like that could make a lot of the things happen. It's recommended on the Steer Mouse site, so hopefully it can be fully configured there. (I'd much rather use SteerMouse than the Logitech driver, if possible).
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Re: Your favorite wireless mouse for editing in DP

Postby HCMarkus » Sat Dec 09, 2017 10:34 pm

MX Master has the scroll wheel button. I set it to "Option-Click" (Advanced Click function) which is handy for naming DP tracks. Doesn't work for option dragging (duplicating) soundbites, though.
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Re: Your favorite wireless mouse for editing in DP

Postby stubbsonic » Sun Dec 10, 2017 2:47 pm

The Intellimouse/SteerMouse combo allowed me to program press-roll-forward and press-roll-backward each with their own keystroke combination.

Each pulse of the pressed wheel would send a new keystroke (where pressing the wheel was itself not a button, but rather acted like an internal modifier so that a pressed wheel is like a second wheel. I don't think all mice work that way. But I wish they did. That's why I've stuck with this one.

Now I just need more buttons!

I suppose one way I could get the best of both worlds would be to have a Magic Trackpad 2 (when I finally update to El Capitan) and use footswitches for clicks which is my main grip about using a trackpad.
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Re: Your favorite wireless mouse for editing in DP

Postby stubbsonic » Mon Dec 11, 2017 11:15 am

I've ordered a Logitech G502 (corded with 11 programmable buttons). Reviews are good, it's in SteerMouse's recommended list. Will report back here after I've had some time with it.

In the meantime, just out of curiosity, I saw a gaming mouse that was describing "aim" and showed the mouse (from above) with a rotational dial overlaid on the graphic. Are there mice that let you track a rotation motion (e.g., rotating the front of the mouse CW and rear of the mouse CCW)? And could that be something that is used to do things like scroll or zoom or rotate a selection in a drawing program?
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Re: Your favorite wireless mouse for editing in DP

Postby MIDI Life Crisis » Mon Dec 11, 2017 12:33 pm

I was spoiled by the 11 or so buttons on the MX Revolution. I still have a couple of them around here, and they work reasonably well, but the idea of pointing with what is essentially a potato still seems as archaic as a mouse with actual balls. So to speak...
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Re: Your favorite wireless mouse for editing in DP

Postby stubbsonic » Mon Dec 11, 2017 12:47 pm

It's great that you and Shooshie and others have had a great experience with the Magic Trackpad 2, and that you've forever sworn off mice. I get it.

My negative in-store experience with the MT2 and Yosemite incompatibility not withstanding, I've always preferred my mouse to any trackpad or trackball. Yes, mice have their flaws, as do trackpads. But it comes down to the main sensation I get when I'm using my mouse with its settings dialed in. Like you, with the MT2, I don't think about it. It's just flowing.

I do occasionally have to lift and set down again, or when I bump into my standing desk crank with the mouse cord-- both annoying. But the trackpad has its flaws, too.

The Trackpad plus foot-switch combo continues to intrigue me. Unfortunately, the AirTurn, which looks good, is a little spendy for this level of experimentation. Perhaps the hacking of an old mouse as described earlier in this thread is a more affordable possibility. I have bunches of switches lying around.
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Re: Your favorite wireless mouse: G502 First Impressions

Postby stubbsonic » Sat Dec 16, 2017 9:03 am

I've only had the G502 for a couple days, and haven't had a long work session with it, but thought I'd share a few first impressions (as pros & cons).

Pros:
1. Button to switch wheel between notched and free rolling (free rolling is great!)
2. 11 programmable buttons!
3. Can switch between 3 profiles from the mouse when using the Logitech software
(if you're willing to sacrifice that button-- to get 10+10 more buttons)
4. Position of some buttons is good & useful.
5. Works with SteerMouse which allows you program "chording" which is combinations
(like middle-press roll forward and middle-press roll backward)
6. Cursor/sensor response is smooth & snappy. No issues.
7. Build quality is good.
8. Can tune the weight/balance with little metal bits. (doesn't mean much to me.)

Cons:
1. The position of the buttons isn't as comfortable or effective as I had hoped.
It is geared toward a palm grip and not claw or fingertip grip.
It requires me to pull the mouse further into my palm than I like to reach the thumb buttons,
AND, it requires me to bend my finger or thumb hard to reach other buttons--
or lift my hand up. It's pretty annoying. They could have made the buttons a little smaller
and kept them more in range that would work for other grips.
2. If I'm not mistaken (and I might be) I don't think I can keep the profiles function, AND use SteerMouse. (in other words, I either have the functionality of SteerMouse, or the multiple profile functionality of the logitech configuration, but I have to choose.
3. There is a surface tuning function in the Logitech software that failed every time I tried to use it.
4. Logitech software for Mac still refers to option key as "Alt" key.

This mouse is still a step up from my trusty old Intellimouse. But the positioning of the buttons is less than ideal. I'll adapt to it, and may grow to love it. As of now, I'll need to work out: a list of processes to put on the mouse, and then choose buttons that will be pretty intuitive to use.
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Re: Your favorite wireless mouse for editing in DP

Postby dix » Sat Dec 16, 2017 2:34 pm

Anyone try AudioSwift?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVr6c6N ... e=youtu.be

It's not fully compatible with DP, but this app lets you "use your trackpad as a control surface and MIDI controller in your DAW". I'm a happy mouse user and my test drives at the Apple Store have never impressed me enough to buy a Magic Trackpad 2, but this app, and all the ringing endorsements in this thread, have me reconsidering. Currently it only supports 3 of the 4 modes for non PT, Ableton and Logic DAWs, but still could be useful.
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