V-Racks questions ?

vudoo · Post by **vudoo** » Sun Feb 19, 2017 7:53 pm

I have several sequences accessing the same V-Rack. Is it possible to change the parameters of the VIs within that V-Rack without having so create new ones each time ?

For example, i have a Kontakt instrument with a violin patch, my first cue (sequence 1) is using the close mic and my second cue (sequence 2) is using the room mic. How can i switch between cues without having to reload the samples or change V-Rack ?

stubbsonic · Post by **stubbsonic** » Mon Feb 20, 2017 7:27 am

Ordinarily, the way to handle that kind of thing is via automation. So you put in some events into each sequence that set the VI's params the way you want so that you still can keep using the original VI's instruments.

If a particular parameter isn't available via automation, I wonder of Kontakt will let you run a second version of that instrument within the same Kontakt "instance", but using the same loaded samples. I suppose you could just put another instantiation of Kontakt in your V-Rack.

HCMarkus · Post by **HCMarkus** » Mon Feb 20, 2017 10:47 am

Unless I missed something, automation is not supported in V-Racks. If he can effect the required changes in the target VI via MIDI, then the OP can accomplish his goal. Absent that, I would just put that particular VI in the project chunk, not in the V-Rack.

stubbsonic · Post by **stubbsonic** » Mon Feb 20, 2017 12:01 pm

Yes, thanks for clarifying. I did mean to put the automation in the sequence chunk's tracks and not the V-Rack. So you could set different mix levels for various instruments within Kontakt from the sequence tracks, for example. If the VI permits any params to be controlled via MIDI (even if they are not published automatable params) - then that could be an easy work-around.

However, if one sequence changes the value of a particular parameter, then you would to set up the other sequences to change that setting back to the desired values for those sequences. (I guess that's kind of obvious).

vudoo · Post by **vudoo** » Mon Feb 20, 2017 1:43 pm

vudoo wrote:I have several sequences accessing the same V-Rack. Is it possible to change the parameters of the VIs within that V-Rack without having so create new ones each time ?

For example, i have a Kontakt instrument with a violin patch, my first cue (sequence 1) is using the close mic and my second cue (sequence 2) is using the room mic. How can i switch between cues without having to reload the samples or change V-Rack ?

I should have explained myself better, i already use MIDI automation but as you mentioned some parameters cannot be automated. I best way i found was to duplicate the instrument within the same Kontakt instance and change the parameters on the duplicated, this way the samples won't be loaded twice.

On a side note, I'm tempted to put my orchestral template (600-700 patches) in a V-Rack and stop using VEP pro/Slave altogether. How is DP when it comes to handling large VIs within a V-Rack ?

dix · Post by **dix** » Mon Feb 20, 2017 4:24 pm

On a side note, I'm tempted to put my orchestral template (600-700 patches) in a V-Rack and stop using VEP pro/Slave altogether. How is DP when it comes to handling large VIs within a V-Rack ?
vudoo

Even if DP's prerendering was perfect, 600-700 instruments loaded at once on one computer would be a lot I'd think. I believe the YouTube video that demoed 9.1's pre-rendering scheme had around 200. For now I'm sticking with the VEP (on one computer) because some VIs just don't work well in 9.1.

vudoo · Post by **vudoo** » Mon Feb 20, 2017 5:18 pm

dix wrote:
On a side note, I'm tempted to put my orchestral template (600-700 patches) in a V-Rack and stop using VEP pro/Slave altogether. How is DP when it comes to handling large VIs within a V-Rack ?
vudoo
Even if DP's prerendering was perfect, 600-700 instruments loaded at once on one computer would be a lot I'd think. I believe the YouTube video that demoed 9.1's pre-rendering scheme had around 200. For now I'm sticking with the VEP (on one computer) because some VIs just don't work well in 9.1.

I tested my template on one Mac and to my surprise, it works fine as long as the VIs are hosted in VEP. I'm using a nMP 12 cores @ 2.7 Ghz, with 64 GB ram, VEP pro 6 and PT HD 12.

But you're right, if i host my VIs directly in my DAWs ( tested with DP9, PT12 and CB9) they all crap out at around 400 patches. Just crazy how much more efficient VEP pro is...

dix · Post by **dix** » Mon Feb 20, 2017 10:00 pm

Wow! Impressive, but

...tested with DP9...

9 or 9.1? I'd think 9.1 would be better compared to PT in this regard.

vudoo · Post by **vudoo** » Tue Feb 21, 2017 5:06 am

dix wrote:Wow! Impressive, but
...tested with DP9...
9 or 9.1? I'd think 9.1 would be better compared to PT in this regard.

I'm on 9.12, OS 10.12.2

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