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Re: NAMM 2017 DP New Features Video

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I would like to be able to UPDATE layouts with new tracks instead of having to delete and do the whole thing over.

Also would like an option like "All windows follow track selection" just as an option. I don't mind them being independent but sometimes I want to see the same thing in all the windows.
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1) Larger Velocity On points (the red Vs) in the MIDI window"s Median strip, (and something for the Sequence window too). Changing the color of the On Velocites to a bright yellow helped a bit. Perhaps velocity handles like R••••• has, or something similar to Logic.
This has bugged me for so long I actually forgot about it. The fiddly little stalks for MIDI velocity was the first thing that drove me nuts about DP when I switched from StudioVision. It's hard to discern them from smudges on the monitor sometime.
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dix wrote:
1) Larger Velocity On points (the red Vs) in the MIDI window"s Median strip, (and something for the Sequence window too). Changing the color of the On Velocites to a bright yellow helped a bit. Perhaps velocity handles like R••••• has, or something similar to Logic.
This has bugged me for so long I actually forgot about it. The fiddly little stalks for MIDI velocity was the first thing that drove me nuts about DP when I switched from StudioVision. It's hard to discern them from smudges on the monitor sometime.
And to make matters worse those tiny velocity on and off points go away in Lines Mode, which I work in several hours a day in exclusively. The only way I know the exact velocity of a note in my main orchestral MIDI window set is to look at the event strip in the information bar, which can cause a lot of eye fatigue. The note's shade of color helps for visual inspection. But for editing, for a Hollywood favorite, having to use a dialog box, the Event list or the tiny icons, is too 1980's.

MOTU hasn't made many modern MIDI editor interface changes to DP in many versions. I was really hoping that the all important version 10 would see modern editing methods added (nothing taken away), because it wouldn't be that hard to implement.

DP's Lines Mode works well when the ramp density is set low (I set mine at 4). In that scenario a CC type line (even though velocity is a switch), would actually work and would be easy to include. But the Logic or Reaper way of editing would be so much better.

I looked at the red V's in the resource icons but they're in the same file as other icons and I'm not sure if they can be altered effectively.

Here's hoping.

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And to make matters worse those tiny velocity on and off points go away in Lines Mode
That's not how it is for me. The controller data toggles between Lines or Points depending on which Edit typer I select. ...[EDIT] Oh, in the ME the stalks go away. Not in the SE though.

I've not seen any indication that the preview was of DP10. I assumed 9.2.

And what's R*****? Reaper? Is there a reason why you dare not spell the name? [EDIT] Ha! I just found out that forum's code prohibits spelling Reaper. Weird.
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dix wrote:And what's R*****? R•••••? Is there a reason why you dare not spell the name? [EDIT] Ha! I just found out that forum's code prohibits spelling R•••••. Weird.
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Steve Steele wrote: I looked at the red V's in the resource icons but they're in the same file as other icons and I'm not sure if they can be altered effectively.
Yeah you can, someone hacked it to be a large square, so much better, if I find the link to the drop he made of it I'l toos it here. :)
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Link for velocity mod:
viewtopic.php?f=1&t=62715
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Michael Canavan wrote:Link for velocity mod:
viewtopic.php?f=1&t=62715
Thanks. I've tried a few of my own resource mods and haven't found a solution I like yet. I hope MOTU update this, as it's more than obvious it needs to be.

But I may try and modify it again.

Thanks.

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ooooh, thanks for the velocity mod Michael. I missed that thread.

I've been using the event strip/ info bar while using reshape tool, which is kinda of a pain. This is a no go for chords, and need to switch to percentage - velocity change command.

It would be great if MOTU can implement a better workflow on them pesky tiny v's.
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You can change the colour to suit the theme but you can't make it bigger than a small square - but it's better than a v.
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Wait. You guys are hacking the dp source code? No way I'm doing that. But I would totally buy a skin that made the velocity points easier to see.
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James Steele wrote:
dix wrote:And what's R*****? R•••••? Is there a reason why you dare not spell the name? [EDIT] Ha! I just found out that forum's code prohibits spelling R•••••. Weird.
Long story. I chose to block the spelling of that particular DAW as I felt they were essentially gaining market share years ago by "dumping" the software on the market very cheap, as well as employing ineffectual "copy protection" which consisted of a nag screen at first launch of the day.
James - Do you mind if I post an image of a piano roll MIDI note from the banned DAW? I'd like others to see an approach I believe MOTU should take with velocity editing. It's sort of a hybrid Reaper/Cubase concept. Thought asking was the polite thing to do.

I agree with your choice to ban the name, and find it funny at the same time, but I must say that Reaper is a totally different type of DAW with a much different feature set. I don't think anyone who relies on Digital Performer and it's workflow would ever find Reaper suitable. Not to mention that it has one of the most ill conceived GUIs possible, (except for the velocity thing oddly enough).

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dix wrote:Wait. You guys are hacking the dp source code? No way I'm doing that. But I would totally buy a skin that made the velocity points easier to see.
Not the source code. Just the graphic resources. It's actually very easy to do. You open a png file in Photoshop or whichever app you like, and change the "V" into a square and fill it with color. Done.

But like you said, buying one from our friend who makes those nice DP skins would be a good way to go.

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Guitar Gaz wrote:You can change the colour to suit the theme but you can't make it bigger than a small square - but it's better than a v.

Do the two icon sets, kPerf7IconSetID_PictID and kPerf7IconSetID_PictID@2x have to be edited too? Because they contain the "V" icons and some others as well.

Or is it just cdDataCicn? cdMenuCicn4 looks like it has the shaded element (the black "V").

Just editing cdMenuCicn did not change the "V" in the MIDI editor.

Thanks

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Okay, I'm getting interested. Where does one find these png files? Can someone please give more detail on how to make this mod?
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