DP 9.12 out now.

[bayswater]

The gravy train went skidding off the tracks.

What a great line. Put the double metaphor to shame.

[cbergm7210]

Still never upgrading to this version until I have the ability to completely disable the Pre-Gen engine, and can be sure I won't get audio dropouts while editing and random audio glitches when BTD or merging soundbites. Don't have time for that crap.

Couldn't agree with you more. There must be a reason (worse bugs?) for not allowing users to disable Pre-Gen entirely, but 9.1 (and 9.12) is half-baked. For now I'll keep using DP for arranging and MIDI of my own projects as it's what I know best and so deep in that department, but for all serious client audio work/mixing I'll be in Pro Tools...

Don't forget guys, to run windows in real time, you not only need to keep the plugin / vi open, this little box needs to be checked...

[JSmith1234567]

Still never upgrading to this version until I have the ability to completely disable the Pre-Gen engine, and can be sure I won't get audio dropouts while editing and random audio glitches when BTD or merging soundbites. Don't have time for that crap.

Couldn't agree with you more. There must be a reason (worse bugs?) for not allowing users to disable Pre-Gen entirely, but 9.1 (and 9.12) is half-baked. For now I'll keep using DP for arranging and MIDI of my own projects as it's what I know best and so deep in that department, but for all serious client audio work/mixing I'll be in Pro Tools...

Don't forget guys, to run windows in real time, you not only need to keep the plugin / vi open, this little box needs to be checked...

I've seen that, but I don't want to keep all of those windows all the time.

[Robert Randolph]

DP9.1x at least runs. DP6 was a nonsensical crash fest with so many broken things. Motu's tech support was pretty slow and non-responsive around DP6 too, which made things even more frustrating.

Another YMMV moment. I moved to DP from Cubase just before V5. I had no more issues with V6 than any other version, and got a lot done with it. Tech support was fine, and I got at least a couple of replies from MD himself within 24-48 hours.

Dave has always been awesome, even back then.

It's just not feasible to be shooting off an email to him everytime you had a techlink to unresponded to for weeks.

The great interactions I've had with Dave and DP's general workflow are the reasons I eventually came back when Avid pissed me off enough.

[Robert Randolph]

So to be clear, the issues I had still exist in 9.12, correct?

Yes sir. They do exist still.

They are being actively worked on, but there is no public fix for them.

[Robert Randolph]

Still never upgrading to this version until I have the ability to completely disable the Pre-Gen engine, and can be sure I won't get audio dropouts while editing and random audio glitches when BTD or merging soundbites. Don't have time for that crap.

Couldn't agree with you more. There must be a reason (worse bugs?) for not allowing users to disable Pre-Gen entirely, but 9.1 (and 9.12) is half-baked. For now I'll keep using DP for arranging and MIDI of my own projects as it's what I know best and so deep in that department, but for all serious client audio work/mixing I'll be in Pro Tools...

Don't forget guys, to run windows in real time, you not only need to keep the plugin / vi open, this little box needs to be checked...

I was told that effects on Aux tracks always work with pre-gen off as well. So if you want a plug-in to run with pre-gen off, just use it on an aux track.

[bayswater]

Dave has always been awesome, even back then.

It's just not feasible to be shooting off an email to him everytime you had a techlink to unresponded to for weeks.

Yes, awesome always. To be clear, I pretty much never ask him directly -- he just steps in from time to time on tortuous tech links.

[Shooshie]

Then, Avid purchased Euphonix. After about one month, I was told essentially to use a real DAW if I wanted my controllers to work.

So I kept my fake DAW and sold the controllers.

I suspect there's a long institutional memory about the MOTU 2408 (?) that essentially blew Digidesign's (now Avid's) artificially inflated price structure and crippleware scheme out of the water. The gravy train went skidding off the tracks when that happened I suspect.... or at least slowed down considerably.

How well I remember that. It was slow to dawn on me, even, that the wizard behind the curtain had been exposed for what he was. After all, I knew people who had spent upward of $50,000 for an installation of about 16 tracks. In 1992, one studio I frequented had spent over $25,000 for FOUR tracks! Didn't it have to be better if it cost so much? But as I assessed what we had in MOTU's gear and software, I began to realize that Digi was all smoke and mirrors. "Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain!"

The arguments I heard against MOTU and for Digi included such classics as:
• "Digi's installation is professional, and those external processors are installed by professionals!"
• "Dude, you're not REALLY going to suggest that MOTU's samples are as good as Digi's samples, are you?"
• "Digital Performer is a toy for people who want to play like they're recording audio."

And the all time favorite, repeated 10 million times:
• "There's just one thing you need to know: Digidesign is THE industry standard!"
As if there was no other reason necessary.

People are funny.

Shooshie

[James Steele]

Couldn't agree with you more. There must be a reason (worse bugs?) for not allowing users to disable Pre-Gen entirely, but 9.1 (and 9.12) is half-baked. For now I'll keep using DP for arranging and MIDI of my own projects as it's what I know best and so deep in that department, but for all serious client audio work/mixing I'll be in Pro Tools...

Don't forget guys, to run windows in real time, you not only need to keep the plugin / vi open, this little box needs to be checked...

I've seen that, but I don't want to keep all of those windows all the time.

It might be a good time to use the Spaces feature in OS X. You can park all those open windows in another Space if you want.

[bayswater]

It might be a good time to use the Spaces feature in OS X. You can park all those open windows in another Space if you want.

Or simply leave them where you can't see them (not floating) sitting behind the CW or other edit screen.

[JSmith1234567]

It might be a good time to use the Spaces feature in OS X. You can park all those open windows in another Space if you want.

Or simply leave them where you can't see them (not floating) sitting behind the CW or other edit screen.

Doesn't having all these window open all the time eat up CPU?

[bayswater]

Or simply leave them where you can't see them (not floating) sitting behind the CW or other edit screen.

Doesn't having all these window open all the time eat up CPU?

Not that I've noticed. No doubt the CPU usage is not zero, but it's easy to find out. In any case processing in real time will use up way more CPU than having a hidden window open.

[JSmith1234567]

Or simply leave them where you can't see them (not floating) sitting behind the CW or other edit screen.

Doesn't having all these window open all the time eat up CPU?

Not that I've noticed. No doubt the CPU usage is not zero, but it's easy to find out. In any case processing in real time will use up way more CPU than having a hidden window open.

Hey thanks man.

[amplidood]

having to select pre-gen status for every single damn plug-in individually is nonsense. A huge step backwards from the option we had previously. Even then, the previous pre-gen engine didn't have the crazy issues that exist now. Someone seriously screwed the pooch.

[Robert Randolph]

having to select pre-gen status for every single damn plug-in individually is nonsense. A huge step backwards from the option we had previously. Even then, the previous pre-gen engine didn't have the crazy issues that exist now. Someone seriously screwed the pooch.

Well, I understand your frustration here for sure. However I don't think that there's any more pre-gen related issues than before. It appears to be the same culprits as pre-9.1 that are causing issues.

The other problems that you're seeing (with performances, edit glitches etc...) don't appear to be related directly to pre-gen.

Either way, at this point Motu is aware of the issues. Just stick with 9.02 for now if you're having problems. That's what I'm doing for now.