DP 9.12 out now.
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Re: DP 9.12 out now.
The gravy train went skidding off the tracks.
What a great line. Put the double metaphor to shame.
What a great line. Put the double metaphor to shame.
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Re: DP 9.12 out now.
Don't forget guys, to run windows in real time, you not only need to keep the plugin / vi open, this little box needs to be checked...OldTimey wrote:Couldn't agree with you more. There must be a reason (worse bugs?) for not allowing users to disable Pre-Gen entirely, but 9.1 (and 9.12) is half-baked. For now I'll keep using DP for arranging and MIDI of my own projects as it's what I know best and so deep in that department, but for all serious client audio work/mixing I'll be in Pro Tools...amplidood wrote:Still never upgrading to this version until I have the ability to completely disable the Pre-Gen engine, and can be sure I won't get audio dropouts while editing and random audio glitches when BTD or merging soundbites. Don't have time for that crap.
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Re: DP 9.12 out now.
I've seen that, but I don't want to keep all of those windows all the time.cbergm7210 wrote:Don't forget guys, to run windows in real time, you not only need to keep the plugin / vi open, this little box needs to be checked...OldTimey wrote:Couldn't agree with you more. There must be a reason (worse bugs?) for not allowing users to disable Pre-Gen entirely, but 9.1 (and 9.12) is half-baked. For now I'll keep using DP for arranging and MIDI of my own projects as it's what I know best and so deep in that department, but for all serious client audio work/mixing I'll be in Pro Tools...amplidood wrote:Still never upgrading to this version until I have the ability to completely disable the Pre-Gen engine, and can be sure I won't get audio dropouts while editing and random audio glitches when BTD or merging soundbites. Don't have time for that crap.
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Re: DP 9.12 out now.
Dave has always been awesome, even back then.bayswater wrote:Another YMMV moment. I moved to DP from Cubase just before V5. I had no more issues with V6 than any other version, and got a lot done with it. Tech support was fine, and I got at least a couple of replies from MD himself within 24-48 hours.Robert Randolph wrote:DP9.1x at least runs. DP6 was a nonsensical crash fest with so many broken things. Motu's tech support was pretty slow and non-responsive around DP6 too, which made things even more frustrating.
It's just not feasible to be shooting off an email to him everytime you had a techlink to unresponded to for weeks.
The great interactions I've had with Dave and DP's general workflow are the reasons I eventually came back when Avid pissed me off enough.
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Re: DP 9.12 out now.
Yes sir. They do exist still.amplidood wrote:So to be clear, the issues I had still exist in 9.12, correct?
They are being actively worked on, but there is no public fix for them.
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Re: DP 9.12 out now.
I was told that effects on Aux tracks always work with pre-gen off as well. So if you want a plug-in to run with pre-gen off, just use it on an aux track.cbergm7210 wrote:Don't forget guys, to run windows in real time, you not only need to keep the plugin / vi open, this little box needs to be checked...OldTimey wrote:Couldn't agree with you more. There must be a reason (worse bugs?) for not allowing users to disable Pre-Gen entirely, but 9.1 (and 9.12) is half-baked. For now I'll keep using DP for arranging and MIDI of my own projects as it's what I know best and so deep in that department, but for all serious client audio work/mixing I'll be in Pro Tools...amplidood wrote:Still never upgrading to this version until I have the ability to completely disable the Pre-Gen engine, and can be sure I won't get audio dropouts while editing and random audio glitches when BTD or merging soundbites. Don't have time for that crap.
Re: DP 9.12 out now.
Yes, awesome always. To be clear, I pretty much never ask him directly -- he just steps in from time to time on tortuous tech links.Robert Randolph wrote:Dave has always been awesome, even back then.
It's just not feasible to be shooting off an email to him everytime you had a techlink to unresponded to for weeks.
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Re: DP 9.12 out now.
How well I remember that. It was slow to dawn on me, even, that the wizard behind the curtain had been exposed for what he was. After all, I knew people who had spent upward of $50,000 for an installation of about 16 tracks. In 1992, one studio I frequented had spent over $25,000 for FOUR tracks! Didn't it have to be better if it cost so much? But as I assessed what we had in MOTU's gear and software, I began to realize that Digi was all smoke and mirrors. "Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain!"James Steele wrote:I suspect there's a long institutional memory about the MOTU 2408 (?) that essentially blew Digidesign's (now Avid's) artificially inflated price structure and crippleware scheme out of the water. The gravy train went skidding off the tracks when that happened I suspect.... or at least slowed down considerably.Killahurts wrote:Then, Avid purchased Euphonix. After about one month, I was told essentially to use a real DAW if I wanted my controllers to work.
So I kept my fake DAW and sold the controllers.
The arguments I heard against MOTU and for Digi included such classics as:
• "Digi's installation is professional, and those external processors are installed by professionals!"
• "Dude, you're not REALLY going to suggest that MOTU's samples are as good as Digi's samples, are you?"
• "Digital Performer is a toy for people who want to play like they're recording audio."
And the all time favorite, repeated 10 million times:
• "There's just one thing you need to know: Digidesign is THE industry standard!"
As if there was no other reason necessary.
People are funny.
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Re: DP 9.12 out now.
It might be a good time to use the Spaces feature in OS X. You can park all those open windows in another Space if you want.JSmith1234567 wrote:I've seen that, but I don't want to keep all of those windows all the time.cbergm7210 wrote:Don't forget guys, to run windows in real time, you not only need to keep the plugin / vi open, this little box needs to be checked...OldTimey wrote: Couldn't agree with you more. There must be a reason (worse bugs?) for not allowing users to disable Pre-Gen entirely, but 9.1 (and 9.12) is half-baked. For now I'll keep using DP for arranging and MIDI of my own projects as it's what I know best and so deep in that department, but for all serious client audio work/mixing I'll be in Pro Tools...
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Re: DP 9.12 out now.
Or simply leave them where you can't see them (not floating) sitting behind the CW or other edit screen.James Steele wrote: It might be a good time to use the Spaces feature in OS X. You can park all those open windows in another Space if you want.
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Re: DP 9.12 out now.
Doesn't having all these window open all the time eat up CPU?bayswater wrote:Or simply leave them where you can't see them (not floating) sitting behind the CW or other edit screen.James Steele wrote: It might be a good time to use the Spaces feature in OS X. You can park all those open windows in another Space if you want.
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Re: DP 9.12 out now.
Not that I've noticed. No doubt the CPU usage is not zero, but it's easy to find out. In any case processing in real time will use up way more CPU than having a hidden window open.JSmith1234567 wrote:Doesn't having all these window open all the time eat up CPU?bayswater wrote: Or simply leave them where you can't see them (not floating) sitting behind the CW or other edit screen.
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Re: DP 9.12 out now.
Hey thanks man.bayswater wrote:Not that I've noticed. No doubt the CPU usage is not zero, but it's easy to find out. In any case processing in real time will use up way more CPU than having a hidden window open.JSmith1234567 wrote:Doesn't having all these window open all the time eat up CPU?bayswater wrote: Or simply leave them where you can't see them (not floating) sitting behind the CW or other edit screen.
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Re: DP 9.12 out now.
having to select pre-gen status for every single damn plug-in individually is nonsense. A huge step backwards from the option we had previously. Even then, the previous pre-gen engine didn't have the crazy issues that exist now. Someone seriously screwed the pooch.
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Re: DP 9.12 out now.
Well, I understand your frustration here for sure. However I don't think that there's any more pre-gen related issues than before. It appears to be the same culprits as pre-9.1 that are causing issues.amplidood wrote:having to select pre-gen status for every single damn plug-in individually is nonsense. A huge step backwards from the option we had previously. Even then, the previous pre-gen engine didn't have the crazy issues that exist now. Someone seriously screwed the pooch.
The other problems that you're seeing (with performances, edit glitches etc...) don't appear to be related directly to pre-gen.
Either way, at this point Motu is aware of the issues. Just stick with 9.02 for now if you're having problems. That's what I'm doing for now.