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Re: Good to know New Macs

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The instructions and videos online include a number of unnecessary steps that should be skipped (you do not remove the screen!). This makes the job much easier, takes less time and lessens the chance of a mistake. It's relatively goof proof once you know how.
Thanks. Is there a video you would recommend?

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It's relatively goof proof once you know how.
That's the sad truth about most things.

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Re: Good to know New Macs

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waxman wrote: so what is up with SSD drives? Is everybody recording to 7200 rpm or 10k RPM drives? SSD's do not work correct
We only use regular 7200 drives for clones and backup here now.

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labman wrote:We only use regular 7200 drives for clones and backup here now...
Same here. Besides having spinners in my Time Capsules where speed isn't an issue, I use them for archival storage.

For example, I exclude my VI libraries from Time Machine. Instead, I zip and copy over to an HHD after an install or update. The reason I zip first is to eliminate permission and privilege issues. If my iMac suffered a fatal error, unzipping while connected to a new machine will give the file its privileges—a copy might not do that. Cloning takes too long for this task.
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This post got me thinking about the Mac Pro and what it is we want from it

To start we need top-speed multi-processors with lots of connectivity to all the storage drives and add-ons required for working and archiving all our projects in a professional environment. We have a generally fixed work place so don’t require portability as such… yet one criticism of the trashcan is that it ends up looking like like one huge entangled mess, with peripherals all hanging off it… the unit itself, unlike the earlier Mac Pro format machines, is not capable of containing within itself even a minimum of basic necessary peripherals … so whilst we don’t think of silver MacPros as portable… at least you could pick up the box and head to another studio if you had to and most of what you needed would be ITB.

Taking the concept of “not-so-messy’ trashcan as a negative and ’all in the box’ silver MPs as a positive we could imagine a new Mac Pro perhaps like a briefcase…. space for 6 or 8 internal SSDs, a gaggle of latest fastest, quietest, most efficient CPUs, at least 4 or more PCI slots, with external connectivity down the forward and rearward sides of the case…perhaps with a waterproof protective flap when being transported…. have a good-sized optional removable touchpad screen (IPad Pro?) under the top lid… I don’t know …I just felt the crux of the problem for the trashcan is that it’s so messy…and would be such a pain to pick up all the pieces to go do a job with it somewhere. Plus that for most of us the many new protocols mean we’d have to update a lot more than just the box

If USB3 will win the day then aren’t we sort of there now? a fairly modestly sized but fully packed Mac Pro is realizable….like a Maxi-Book Pro…or an iBag …an iBrief?… take it home with you…or go to a party and create mayhem!!

Thanks for listening…and thanks for the great tips again Mike …I can’t believe how prices have fallen with SSDs… my original OWC SSD 250g is still ticking along as my project disk in the optical bay…it was replaced as system drive when i got an OWC 6g 500g but which recently carked it after less than a year… I think I’ll just get 2 of the 500g Samsung EVO 850s you recommend and start afresh with those….so affordable it’s really a no-brainer….you wouldn’t go for the Pro versions of these SSSDs?

And when the 4T SSDs get to the right price I’ll swap out the 4 HDDs currently in the drive bays. With USB3 and the future not necessarily requiring Thunderbolt this 2009 Mac Pro might kick on for a few years more….definitely the best Mac I ever bought

And great tip about zipping and privileges… you mean that privileges get reset when a file is unzipped? or removed when you zip them? makes sense…but I never thought about it as such… I usually zip files for sending to protect the integrity of the file as i understood it…like how old SDII files could lose track of their headers and forks… but what you say means the receiver introduces the unzipped files to his system as his own as it were? Interesting point

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The Pro has a 10 year warranty and the EVO is 5. You will not see any performance increase in a Mac Pro unless you connect it to a 6G PCIe card. Even then, real world differences are negligible if noticeable at all. For you, the warranty is the only difference.
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OK Great Mike Thank you
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mikehalloran wrote:The reason I zip first is to eliminate permission and privilege issues. If my iMac suffered a fatal error, unzipping while connected to a new machine will give the file its privileges—a copy might not do that.
That's gold. I did not know that. Already archive that way, but for space reasons. Now I know the real reason I did it. 8)
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I have never Zipped a file and never had a hard time opening it with another machine. I have a
Firewire G Drive with all my DP files and all my machines can open the songs on it. I move songs around all the time. I see that it might be a good idea but for me everything just works I would
like to hear more about zipping files. Thanks
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I miss my 2010 Mac Pro cheese grater. Rock solid machine. But once it was clear we were moving towards a future where thunderbolt was standard I sold it. five years after buying it for 2800 I got 1000 for it. Not too bad. Today I'd probably get half that!

I hear the new displays will have integrated graphics...I can't afford the trashcan, but once the minis are updated, i'm biting.
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2010 cheese graters regularly sell for $2k depending on what CPU is in them, memory and what vid card. Yours was either very low powered or you coulda gotten more and definitely it would be worth more then $500 today
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rickorick wrote:I have never Zipped a file and never had a hard time opening it with another machine. I have a
Firewire G Drive with all my DP files and all my machines can open the songs on it. I move songs around all the time. I see that it might be a good idea but for me everything just works I would
like to hear more about zipping files. Thanks
Good for you. Songs aren't an issue. They are not files you open like, say apps or installers. Try moving Word docs from one Mac to another and see what happens.

Many times, they will require permissions and privileges to open on another station. If you compress first, they will acquire those privileges as part of the unzipping process. Btw, this is not necessary with email as it is done aumatically when you send a file as an attachment. Using Migration Assistant or Time Machine, likewise, takes care of this.

There is no hard and fast rule here on when it's needed and not. It appears that later OS are tighter on this then others. I had this issue with trying to open older DP files in 7.24 in 10.6.4 when created on another Mac unless zipped first — there are a number of old threads on this. I learned years ago to zip Word files before sending them to my wife's Mac and she cannot read her students' files if they fail to compress them before uploading to her Dropbox account (sometimes, zipping then unzipping on the new Mac works with Word but you can't bet on it).

The late OS installers must be zipped while the Combo Updaters do not. The 10.11.6 installer is 6.21G unzipped and 6.22G zipped. And so on...
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