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Does DP 8.07 play nicely with OS 10.10?

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Hi guys.

Been using DP 8.07 with OS 10.8.5. Various plug-ins, etc, wanting to move up to to 10.9 now, but i've heard bad things. What's the recommendation for OS of choice now? 10.10? 10.11?

Also, is DP 9 playing rock solid yet? (have been reading through eveybody's comments) Or stick to 8.07 for a while? The OS question is most important one!

Thanks in advance.
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Re: Does DP 8.07 play nicely with OS 10.10?

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DP 8.07 plays nicely with OS 10.10.5 and 10.11.5.
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Thanks Mike.

And out of those, how's the OS working in general? Would you stick to 10.10? Presuming 10.11 still too fresh? Hate upgrading OS and versions of DP!
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El Capitan has been pretty good for me. I was beginning to have serious problems in Yosemite, and El Capitan fixed those things. I forget now what they were, but I left some posts here in the forum that probably elaborate on that. The major things that broke, for me, were MenuMeters and Adobe Illustrator and Photoshop, but there were 3rd party fixes for each of those. They're all working for me now.

DP9 handles very well in El Capitan.

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Shooshie wrote:El Capitan has been pretty good for me. I was beginning to have serious problems in Yosemite, and El Capitan fixed those things. I forget now what they were, but I left some posts here in the forum that probably elaborate on that. The major things that broke, for me, were MenuMeters and Adobe Illustrator and Photoshop, but there were 3rd party fixes for each of those. They're all working for me now.

DP9 handles very well in El Capitan.
Thanks Shooshie! Just using it for music, nothing else. DP, VE Pro, Waves, Lexicon, Arturia and Native Instruments are the main beasts in the arsenal. Did any of those seem to work OK in 10.10 for you? i.e. were the problems mostly in adobe/non-motu? I'll go board-hunting and searching. Thanks!
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If you are using up to date plugs and VIs there should be no problems. Older plugs and libraries may have issues and there are many threads on this.

DP 9 isn't quite where MOTU has promised. For most of us, there are no problems; for some of us, there are. Some of the features and fixes have been promised by 9.1. We'll see. I have no issues with DP 9. Again, there are many threads on this—no reason to rewrite it all here.
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mikehalloran wrote:If you are using up to date plugs and VIs there should be no problems. Older plugs and libraries may have issues and there are many threads on this.

DP 9 isn't quite where MOTU has promised. For most of us, there are no problems; for some of us, there are. Some of the features and fixes have been promised by 9.1. We'll see. I have no issues with DP 9. Again, there are many threads on this—no reason to rewrite it all here.
Just read about a gazillion of them! Thanks for this. My main question was to do with DP 8.07 and which OS, so I think I'll go with os 10.10 and DP 8.07 for now.

Thanks mike and Shooshie for your help!
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doodles wrote:
mikehalloran wrote:If you are using up to date plugs and VIs there should be no problems. Older plugs and libraries may have issues and there are many threads on this.

DP 9 isn't quite where MOTU has promised. For most of us, there are no problems; for some of us, there are. Some of the features and fixes have been promised by 9.1. We'll see. I have no issues with DP 9. Again, there are many threads on this—no reason to rewrite it all here.
Just read about a gazillion of them! Thanks for this. My main question was to do with DP 8.07 and which OS, so I think I'll go with os 10.10 and DP 8.07 for now.

Thanks mike and Shooshie for your help!
If you edit control data in lines mode, or if you edit automation, you will find some weirdness that can really hit you hard, as in slow you down, but it's not impossible to get around it; just takes time. I don't have time to remember how it went and elaborate, but it has to do with moving control points in close juxtaposition, or duplicating them and dragging, and that sort of thing. They just don't go where you want, and it takes extra moves to make it happen. I mean, it's not subtle. Someone's code must have gotten screwed up. Maybe a cat walked across the keyboard and deleted a few lines before the closed up for the day; it's embarrassing, not just a little anomaly.

But my understanding is that MOTU is aware of this and a fix is on the way. Someone recently cast some doubt on that based on what a tech support person said, but I think it was just a tech person who wasn't thinking right or something. 9.1 shouldn't be too far out, so we'll see about it then.

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doodles wrote:Hi guys.

Been using DP 8.07 with OS 10.8.5. Various plug-ins, etc, wanting to move up to to 10.9 now, but i've heard bad things. What's the recommendation for OS of choice now? 10.10? 10.11?
Mind if I ask why the interest in updating OS X, doodles? Other than the lure of 4k displays, I'm not seeing a lot that is of interest for my studio.

I have to admit, a 43" 4k display would be a sweet workspace for DP. Pixel size not too small and a huge area across which many, many windows could be strewn.
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HCMarkus wrote: Mind if I ask why the interest in updating OS X, doodles? Other than the lure of 4k displays, I'm not seeing a lot that is of interest for my studio.

I have to admit, a 43" 4k display would be a sweet workspace for DP. Pixel size not too small and a huge area across which many, many windows could be strewn.
My 4 VE pro slaves are on 10.10, and running fine. They only use VE Pro. My main mac is currently on 10.8.5, which is mostly working fine, but there are a few niggles here and there, I think mostly cos of various plug-ins, so I'm thinking about doing a clean install now this soundtrack has finished. And crash-plan (which I use to b/up to cloud), is discontinuing support for 10.8.5, so seems like a good time. So long as 10.10 works! Been reading about carbon copyclone, so think I'll do that first.
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mikehalloran wrote:DP 8.07 plays nicely with OS 10.10.5 and 10.11.5.
Perfect. This is what I needed to know. THANKYOU!
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Maybe a cat walked across the keyboard and deleted a few lines before the closed up for the day; it's embarrassing, not just a little anomaly.
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There is no reason not to go with OS 10.11, especially if doing a clean install.

If doing a clean install, start by stalling the OS and use Migration Assistant to move your settings and go from there. Do not clone. Again, many threads on this.
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The Clone is good for backup (in case issues arise with the new OS) if you are installing over your old boot drive. Might be better to start on a fresh SSD and use Migration Asst like Mike mentions... put the old drive in a drawer for a rainy day.

And, yes, might as well try 10.11. Its pretty mature now that we're at .5.

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I went for 8.07 in 10.9.5 to 8.07 in 10.10.5. For me it was kind of a break even.

In the OS itself, I traded Mavericks bugs which were annoying but not awful for Yosemite bugs which are equally annoying and not awful. There were a handful of features that Apple either removed or ruined in Preview-- which may not seem that critical unless you use & edit PDFs which I do all the time. The 10.9 iCal bug made me LOSE events randomly-- deal-breaker. The 10.10 iCal bug means that after I create a new event, I have to do some unknown combination of moves before will let me edge edit the start/end times. A new 10.10 Mail bug changes the sort-by functionality so finding a group of emails by subject or sender (etc.) just got a little less elegant.

As for DP 8.07, in 10.9 I had problems but was able to track them down to some corrupt AUs and a problematic driver or two. In 10.10, it crashes (or just vanishes with no report) occasionally (but works after a relaunch). So more DP crashes, .. but everything still works. So I'm now back to that nervous feeling of saving after everything. Makes me nostalgic for DP7/SnowLeopard
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