Tracks Layouts are so great!!! EXCEPT...
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Tracks Layouts are so great!!! EXCEPT...
This new Track Layout system is the bee's knees. Being able to switch around sets of tracks without using the Track Groups is so great. Now... if it could just be setup that when you update a specific Track Layout and save it, the key command you've assigned to it wouldn't go away. I have to go in and reassign it every time I save an update to a layout. A bit annoying.
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Re: Tracks Layouts are so great!!! EXCEPT...
That can't have been intentional. I say it's a bug and needs reporting.amplidood wrote:I have to go in and reassign it every time I save an update to a layout. A bit annoying.
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Re: Tracks Layouts are so great!!! EXCEPT...
What??? That is crazy Andy. The ones I set and built into my template seem to have stayed.
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Re: Tracks Layouts are so great!!! EXCEPT...
Didn't the release notes say that track layouts are specific to a project?
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Re: Tracks Layouts are so great!!! EXCEPT...
I believe so IIRCbayswater wrote:Didn't the release notes say that track layouts are specific to a project?
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Re: Tracks Layouts are so great!!! EXCEPT...
Well, yeah, a template is just a default project, so however you set it the future generations should follow. IN the case with track layouts, my understanding is they are based on the tracks selected in the chunk. One would assume that each project will have a different configuration, which is why there are templates (to bypass that issue).labman wrote:What??? That is crazy Andy. The ones I set and built into my template seem to have stayed.
How should DP respond when adding a track? What folder should it go in? That's basically the issue. I suppose a new designation of "layout location" could be added to the new track dialogue, but a template is a much easier way to deal with this, IMO. It does, however, make total sense to me that track layout cannot be applied across projects or even in to chunks in the same project unless they are copied and the layout is "inherited" or a template is used.
Re: Tracks Layouts are so great!!! EXCEPT...
oops.My bad !!!
I should have said that we never use DP's templates. We just create our new file, save it and lock it with get info box. But we call them our templates cause we always build from them.
I should have said that we never use DP's templates. We just create our new file, save it and lock it with get info box. But we call them our templates cause we always build from them.
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Re: Tracks Layouts are so great!!! EXCEPT...
My track situation is always fluid with tracks coming and going. I may want to update the track layout for "Vocals" with a few new BGV's. There's no way to "Add tracks to existing layout" like there is for groups. If there was, I wouldn't haven't to overwrite that particular layout and lose my custom key command for it in the process.
Re: Tracks Layouts are so great!!! EXCEPT...
I can't think of a reason saving a track layout using an existing name should remove the shortcut assigned to the layout. The Commands window knows the sequence and layout name being used. DP knows you're overwriting the layout and has a code branch to handle it. This must be an error or oversight. It should be no big deal to keep the key assignments as long as the layout and sequence names are maintained.
Another way to handle it would be the way Logic handles screen sets. Tracks you add to the view would automatically be added to the layout. If you switch to another layout, then return to the first one, it will appear as you last saw it. At some point you can freeze the layout so it always appears as it was when frozen.
Another way to handle it would be the way Logic handles screen sets. Tracks you add to the view would automatically be added to the layout. If you switch to another layout, then return to the first one, it will appear as you last saw it. At some point you can freeze the layout so it always appears as it was when frozen.
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Re: Tracks Layouts are so great!!! EXCEPT...
Are you saying you got your track layouts to save with your template? I saved a template with track layouts and key commands and when I open the template the track layouts appear in the view menu but do not work. Neither clicking on the track layout name nor using the key command results in the track layout appearing. What am I doing wrong?MIDI Life Crisis wrote:Well, yeah, a template is just a default project, so however you set it the future generations should follow. IN the case with track layouts, my understanding is they are based on the tracks selected in the chunk. One would assume that each project will have a different configuration, which is why there are templates (to bypass that issue).labman wrote:What??? That is crazy Andy. The ones I set and built into my template seem to have stayed.
How should DP respond when adding a track? What folder should it go in? That's basically the issue. I suppose a new designation of "layout location" could be added to the new track dialogue, but a template is a much easier way to deal with this, IMO. It does, however, make total sense to me that track layout cannot be applied across projects or even in to chunks in the same project unless they are copied and the layout is "inherited" or a template is used.
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Re: Tracks Layouts are so great!!! EXCEPT...
I have the same behavior when updating a layout. DP totally hoses the key command.
And saving layouts in a template file is a no go either but, the way around that is to create an actual project, set it up as if it was your template, lock it in the get info window after its all saved and use that as your starting point.
And saving layouts in a template file is a no go either but, the way around that is to create an actual project, set it up as if it was your template, lock it in the get info window after its all saved and use that as your starting point.
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Re: Tracks Layouts are so great!!! EXCEPT...
I've had this exact problem as well. Both in 9.02 and slightly better in 9.12
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Re: Tracks Layouts are so great!!! EXCEPT...
Could I trouble you guys to make a bug report? Maybe one of you could do a tech link at MOTU, and one could do a bug report in Robert's bug list thread. Actually, the tech link and bug report kind of reinforce each other. Whoever does one should do the other, because it's already mostly done.
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Re: Tracks Layouts are so great!!! EXCEPT...
This is an old thread but a continuing problem. Yes, I believe I have spoken with MOTU about it over the phone and will write. I have gotten around it by saving a project, NOT a template, and starting from there, but other issues arise. One cannot Duplicate Track Layout within a project and expect the custom track layouts to work. The only work around is to duplicate the chunk, which is OK except if one is writing a second cue within the project one has to delete everything in the duplicate chunk before starting.
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Re: Tracks Layouts are so great!!! EXCEPT...
Work-around suggestion: Keep a copy of your initial (empty) chunk in your template project and always duplicate from that.CCarpenter wrote:This is an old thread but a continuing problem. Yes, I believe I have spoken with MOTU about it over the phone and will write. I have gotten around it by saving a project, NOT a template, and starting from there, but other issues arise. One cannot Duplicate Track Layout within a project and expect the custom track layouts to work. The only work around is to duplicate the chunk, which is OK except if one is writing a second cue within the project one has to delete everything in the duplicate chunk before starting.